Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Oliver Fromme wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > > > Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, it's expected behavior. The workaround is to not unplug mounted > > > > devices. (There's nothing special about USB here, if you unplugged an > > > >

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Julius Huang
Hi, How Mac OS X handle this? Method, tricks, code, etc... Does Linux reboot when this happen? One can argue the kernel is so different between OS X, Linux and FBSD, but it is still better to compare WIN vs FBSD (or NTFS vs UFS). Or may be I am wrong. BTW, I hardly ever put a USB Disk on our

Re: Problems with named default configuration in 6-STABLE

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Andrews
> --nextPart2302559.jWhKoKUfrP > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > On Tuesday, 17. July 2007, Volker wrote: > > On 07/17/07 09:20, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 17. July 2007, Yuri Panko

Re: Problems with named default configuration in 6-STABLE

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 07/17/07 11:06, Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 10:52:43 Volker wrote: > >> > >> Relying on a zone transfer doesn't seem to be reliable to me as more > >> than half of the root servers doesn't reply to AXFR requests. > > > > I've heard pretty much the same thing as

Re: FreeBSD violates RFC2870 [was: Re: Problems with named default configuration in 6-STABLE]

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Andrews
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:47:50PM +0200, Volker wrote: > > As I think having a default to hint root zone is better, I'll file a > > PR about that. > > Which leads me to ask: > > Why hasn't anyone recommended using stub zones for this? It seems the > goal is to cache NS records from the roots

webmin adding to many groups to www group

2007-07-18 Thread RYAN M. vAN GINNEKEN
Hello all i am having trouble getting virtualmin to work right with freebsd 6.2 stable and apache 2.2.4. I believe my problem is related to having to many groups in the www group. see below king1::1007:www king2::1012:www king3::1011:www king4::1013:www king5::1010:www king6::1017:www kin

Re: Adding /dev/random and /dev/urandom to a jail.

2007-07-18 Thread Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits
Yes but the random devices are not showing up there. I am trying the suggestions from Christopher Cowart to see if that will get them to show up. Thanks, Tony At 07:40 PM 7/18/2007, Ivan Voras wrote: Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits wrote: > Hi, > > I am running 6.2 and I am having proble

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0200 (CEST) Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you have problems remembering, This is very interesting thread indeed I have found that mounting remote SMB shares will panic the kernel too, but only if i try to access it while 'gone' . If I remember c

Re: Adding /dev/random and /dev/urandom to a jail.

2007-07-18 Thread Ivan Voras
Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits wrote: > Hi, > > I am running 6.2 and I am having problems getting /dev/random to work > inside a jail. > > What is the proper technique for creating /dev/random and /dev/urandom > inside a jail? Have you mounted devfs in the jail? signature.asc Description:

Re: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:05:25 -0400 Michael Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm looking for a way to properly manage SpamAssassin after Plesk has > wreaked havoc on the server. Hi Michael, i think this thread doesnt belong in stable@, but questions@ - i dont see how this ref

Adding /dev/random and /dev/urandom to a jail.

2007-07-18 Thread Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits
Hi, I am running 6.2 and I am having problems getting /dev/random to work inside a jail. What is the proper technique for creating /dev/random and /dev/urandom inside a jail? Thanks, Tony ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Momchil Ivanov
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 21:03:10 Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB > > > device that has filesystems mounted. > > > > s/USB

Re: SCSI error during boot

2007-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:26:33PM +0200, Uffe R. B. Andersen wrote: > When I boot my FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p6, I get the following error: > > (pass0:ahc0:0:0:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 e c 0 > (pass0:ahc0:0:0:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > (pass0:ahc0:0:0

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Don Lewis
On 18 Jul, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > If the problem is in general with a file system, regardless of the provider, > then what does one do when a mounted smbfs becomes unavailable due to remote > host down, no route to host or some other network related problems? Same > question for NFS mounted fi

SCSI error during boot

2007-07-18 Thread Uffe R. B. Andersen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi When I boot my FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p6, I get the following error: (pass0:ahc0:0:0:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 e c 0 (pass0:ahc0:0:0:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error (pass0:ahc0:0:0:0): SCSI Status: Check Conditi

Panic with umass (with USB tape and Amanda)

2007-07-18 Thread Michal Mertl
Hello everybody, I have just had a panic on 6.2 amd64 box with ehci connected USB DDS4 tape drive while it was for the first time being accessed with Amanda. I have previously successfully tested it with tar. I have a kernel crash dump with the following information: panic: trying to sleep while

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Ivan Voras
Mark Linimon wrote: > The reason is not the USB stack; the reason (IIRC) is that the FreeBSD > VM was written with the default assumption that Devices Never Go Away. > A large rewrite, I'm told, will be needed to fix this, and the code is > convoluted and tricky. I also feel that the "institutial

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Ivan Voras
Josh Paetzel wrote: > designing a > filesystem that doesn't need to be unmounted specifically for > removeable devices. Or just do what Windows does on its hard-drive-mounted NTFS and MSDOS file systems and mark it clean after several seconds of inactivity. This also helps solve other problem

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Kris Moore
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:54:19AM -0700, Kris Moore wrote: >> That being said, I think it would be a good idea to at least have the >> kernel / HAL or some process maybe warn the user that they should >> unmount the USB disk first, to prevent data loss at minimum. But I th

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Ivan Voras
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > One solution is (as mentioned) a userland filesystem that doesn't panic. > automount approximates this if you set the disconnect interval short (< 5 > seconds). Unfortunately the approximation is far from perfect because it takes noticable time to mount a msdosfs on lar

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:54:19AM -0700, Kris Moore wrote: > That being said, I think it would be a good idea to at least have the > kernel / HAL or some process maybe warn the user that they should > unmount the USB disk first, to prevent data loss at minimum. But I think > this can be improved,

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Stefan Esser
Oliver Fromme wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > > > Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > Yes, it's expected behavior. The workaround is to not unplug mounted > > > > devices. (There's nothing special about USB here, if you unplugged an > > > >

Re: Dell PERC5/i SAS5/5IR - RAID monitoring

2007-07-18 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Michael Worobcuk wrote: Hi, Am 18.07.2007 um 16:34 schrieb Brian A. Seklecki: Hi Tom, thank you for your response. What about monitoring the PERC5/ie ? Does it work with megarc or any program under FreeBSD ? I have some scripts on nagiosexchange.org; wrappers around m

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB > > device that has filesystems mounted. > > s/USB // > > > I also have a hard time believing that the reason it hasn'

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Kris Moore
Momchil Ivanov wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 19:34:06 Mark Linimon wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device >>> that has filesystems mounted. >> s/USB // > > Just a dumb question: wha

Re: Dell PERC5/i SAS5/5IR - RAID monitoring

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Worobcuk
Am 18.07.2007 um 16:34 schrieb Brian A. Seklecki: Hi Tom, thank you for your response. What about monitoring the PERC5/ie ? Does it work with megarc or any program under FreeBSD ? I have some scripts on nagiosexchange.org; wrappers around megacli (8) and megarc(8). ~BAS Cool :) Thank

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Momchil Ivanov
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 19:34:06 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device > > that has filesystems mounted. > > s/USB // Just a dumb question: what does "umount -f" does? And d

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Nobody's said what the problem is. I'm not a filesystem code monkey, but IIRC, the problem is that the filesystem plays fast and loose with pointers and is too closely related to the VM. One solution is (as mentioned) a userland filesystem that doesn't panic. automount approximates this if you s

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device > that has filesystems mounted. s/USB // > I also have a hard time believing that the reason it hasn't been fixed > is because "there isn't an easy fix". I'm u

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 06:30:44PM +0200, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 17:41:04 Oliver Fromme wrote: > > As Josh wrote, it's expected. The problem is known > > to exist for a long time already (probably as long > > as FreeBSD itself exists), and if there was an easy > > soluti

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Baldur Gislason
This really struck me as a problem when I had a short power outage and my external USB hard drive wasn't plugged into the UPS. Laptop didn't reboot from the power outage but it rebooted anyway because it lost a hard drive (which was mounted but I wasn't doing any work on) Baldur On Wed, Jul 18

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Momchil Ivanov
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 17:41:04 Oliver Fromme wrote: > As Josh wrote, it's expected. The problem is known > to exist for a long time already (probably as long > as FreeBSD itself exists), and if there was an easy > solution, certainly someone would have fixed it. > > Just remember to always umo

RE: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Kevin K.
Creating a jail isn't that hard. Unfortunately I haven't really tested it before, but im sure that through some simple redirection of the separate virtual localhost adapters between jails, you may be able to utilize spamassassin. I guess the real question is, is it worth it to do all that work if y

RE: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Kevin K.
Managing plesk usually means that you really have to hand over your server (or the jail that plesk creates) to plesk itself. I've hacked and mangled plesk installations in order to merge other technologies and custom solutions that I personally preferred -- and in the end I concluded that it cause

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 05:03:03PM +0200, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > "Windows" doesn`t reboot if you unplug the usb or network cable, which I > think > is the right way of handling these kind of situations. Windows also (as of XP; I don't think it was this way in 2000) by default disables read/writ

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Oliver Fromme
Momchil Ivanov wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > > Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > Yes, it's expected behavior. The workaround is to not unplug mounted > > > devices. (There's nothing special about USB here, if you unplugged an > > > IDE drive you'd get the same beh

RE: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Daniel Anson
You can buy a spamassasin liscense from plesk. I would suggest that. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:05 AM To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Properly managing SpamAssassin. .

Re: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Williams
Kevin, Thanks. I have no problem with that at all. Can you recommend any quality, modular (redundant I know) jailing techniques (e.g. directory structures, user levels, permissions, etc)? Regards, Michael On Jul 18, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Kevin K. wrote: Managing plesk usually means that y

Re: Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Williams
Thanks, but there are two issues there: 1) I don't plan on keeping Plesk for more than a few months, and don't want to spend the effort/money just to undo/redo it later. 2) I want to manage it manually 100% from the start That said, are there any suggestions as to how to accomplish what I

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Baldur Gislason
I vaguely remember being able to yank out USB drives in 5.x and just make usbd execute a forced umount without any problems. FAT32 drives mind you. On 6.2 I haven't even been able to unplug a USB drive even if I unmount it first, always results in a kernel panic. Baldur On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 0

Properly managing SpamAssassin. . .

2007-07-18 Thread Michael Williams
Hi All, I'm looking for a way to properly manage SpamAssassin after Plesk has wreaked havoc on the server. In the short term, we need to keep Plesk around for those that need the "ease of use". However, it wants to keep resetting values, etc; meaning that since the Plesk license doesn't

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Momchil Ivanov
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > Josh Paetzel wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #11: Sat Jul 14 16:27:12 CEST 2007 > >> and accidently unplugged the USB hub to which my external hdd > >> together w

Re: Dell PERC5/i SAS5/5IR - RAID monitoring

2007-07-18 Thread Brian A. Seklecki
Hi Tom, thank you for your response. What about monitoring the PERC5/ie ? Does it work with megarc or any program under FreeBSD ? I have some scripts on nagiosexchange.org; wrappers around megacli(8) and megarc(8). ~BAS ___ freebsd-stable@freeb

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Momchil Ivanov wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #11: Sat Jul 14 16:27:12 CEST 2007 >> and accidently unplugged the USB hub to which my external hdd >> together with a mouse were connected and this caused my machine to >> freeze for

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > Hi, > > I am running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #11: Sat Jul 14 16:27:12 CEST 2007 > and accidently unplugged the USB hub to which my external hdd > together with a mouse were connected and this caused my machine to > freeze for some seconds and then reboo

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:42:26AM +0200, Momchil Ivanov wrote: > accidently unplugged the USB hub to which my external hdd together with a > mouse were connected and this caused my machine to freeze for some seconds > and then reboot. Yes, this is a known problem, for which there is no workarou

Re: long pause in startup

2007-07-18 Thread Jim Pingle
Charles Sprickman wrote: > Any ideas on this one? This machine (one of those ancient VALinux 2U > boxes, Intel L440GX+ board, dual PIII) hangs for a very long time > between the second processor launching and geom_mirror kicking in. It > does always boot, but the hang is more than a minute - just

Re: mysqld got signal 11

2007-07-18 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Ken Chen wrote: > db1# cat /boot/loader.conf > kern.maxdsiz="2G" > kern.dfldsiz="2G" > kern.maxssiz="134217728" # 128MB I don't think the boot loader understands "2G" to mean "two gigabytes" (unlike my.cnf). It has probably left you with the defaul

Re: Dell PERC5/i SAS5/5IR - RAID monitoring

2007-07-18 Thread Tom Judge
Michael Worobcuk wrote: Am 18.07.2007 um 01:27 schrieb Tom Judge: Michael Worobcuk wrote: Hi, I am trying to set up my first webserver. I bought a Dell Poweredge 860, provided with a SAS5/IR RAID-Controller. The problem is now, that I cannot find software, that monitors the state of my disk

removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-18 Thread Momchil Ivanov
Hi, I am running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #11: Sat Jul 14 16:27:12 CEST 2007 and accidently unplugged the USB hub to which my external hdd together with a mouse were connected and this caused my machine to freeze for some seconds and then reboot. At that moment the hdd was mounted and I was playing m

Re: long pause in startup

2007-07-18 Thread Ronald Klop
I don't know anything about your problem, but does it give good info if you boot with verbose on? Ronald. On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:08:29 +0200, Charles Sprickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, Any ideas on this one? This machine (one of those ancient VALinux 2U boxes, Intel L440GX+