Re: 6.3-RC2 Available

2008-01-01 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:59:24 -0500
Ken Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you would like to test doing a fresh install ISOs for each arch
 are available at:

I just finsihed installing  6.3-RC2 on my new amd64 machine[1] (I
installed from disc1).There was one small issue with sysinstall:
when I got to configure networking, I had to do 'ifconfig re0 up'
from the rescue shell on vty4 before the network interface would work
(I use dhcp).
First I did 'ifconfig re0' - it showed status as no carrier. after 'ifconfig 
re0 up' it showed status as active.

I had the same problem when installing FreeBSD 7.0-beta4.
I believe this problem is related specifically to some re0 nics, mine
is a:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pciconf -lv | grep -B4 ethernet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:   class=0x02 card=0x81aa1043 chip=0x816810ec 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
device = 'RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet

Perhaps this workaround should be mentioned in the errata if it isn't fixed 
before release?

References:
1) http://tingox.googlepages.com/asus_m2a-vm_hdmi_freebsd
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Nagios + 6.3-RELEASE == Hung Process

2008-01-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
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G'day ...

  Yesterday, I setup nagios to do some system monitoring ... installed the 
latest version from ports into a jail, so that I could easily move it around 
between machines as I upgrade, without losing data ... after about 30 minutes 
running, I get a second nagios process running (fork?) that takes up ch CPU 
time as is available, and just hangs there until I kill -9 it ...

Figuring that it might be a problem with the jail (trying to access somethign 
that isn't available to the process in a jail), I moved it to the physical 
server level ... but, again, after ~30 minutes, its doing the same thing:

# ps aux | grep nagios
nagios  32065 73.2  0.1 10948  3516  ??  R11:15AM   7:40.77 
/usr/local/bin/nagios -d /usr/local/etc/nagios/nagios.cfg
nagios  82120  0.0  0.1 10948  3580  ??  Ss   10:47AM   0:01.18 
/usr/local/bin/nagios -d /usr/local/etc/nagios/nagios.cfg

So, definitely not jail related ...

I've tried to do a 'truss -p 32065', it just hangs.

And: ktrace -f /tmp/output -p 32065 ... produces nothing:

# kdump -f /tmp/output
 32065 nagios   PSIG  SIGKILL SIG_DFL

Once I kill -9 the process, a bunch of 'check_ping' processes start up and then 
things go back to normal ...

My last kernel / world build on that box is: Mon Nov 12 06:43:30 AST 2007

After searching the 'Net a bit, came across this thread:

http://www.nagiosexchange.org/nagios-users.34.0.html?tx_maillisttofaq_pi1%5Bmode%5D=1tx_maillisttofaq_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=7694

That recommends modifying libmap.conf with:

[/usr/local/bin/nagios]
libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2
libpthread.so libthr.so

This seems to fix the problem on the physical server, and am currently testing 
it in the jail itself to make sure it fixes it there too ...

Should this be something that is more prominently documented somewhere?  Maybe 
in the port itself?  azureus has similar problems that are fixed with entries 
in libmap.conf, so its not just a nagios issue ...



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Re: Nagios + 6.3-RELEASE == Hung Process

2008-01-01 Thread Michael Butler
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
 G'day ...
 
   Yesterday, I setup nagios to do some system monitoring ... installed the
 latest version from ports into a jail, so that I could easily move it around
 between machines as I upgrade, without losing data ... after about 30 minutes
 running, I get a second nagios process running (fork?) that takes up ch CPU
 time as is available, and just hangs there until I kill -9 it ...

[ .. ]

 After searching the 'Net a bit, came across this thread:
 
 http://www.nagiosexchange.org/nagios-users.34.0.html?tx_maillisttofaq_pi1%5Bmode%5D=1tx_maillisttofaq_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=7694
 
 That recommends modifying libmap.conf with:
 
 [/usr/local/bin/nagios]
 libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2
 libpthread.so libthr.so

Thanks for pointing this out. I've had similar problems with nagios but
hadn't found a solution until I saw your pointer. Sadly, my expertise
with both thread libraries is sufficiently lacking that I have no clue
where to start looking for the cause :-(

Michael
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Installworld fails on 7.0-RC1

2008-01-01 Thread Peter Thoenen
Hello,

Hope the new year finds everybody well and not too hung over :) ...
posted a bit earlier with BETA4 but just wanted to state that
installworld still fails for me on 7.0-RC1

- uname -a = FreeBSD ssfbsd.securestate.org 7.0-RC1 FreeBSD 7.0RC1
#1: Tue Jan 1 10:28:19 EST 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

The entire build output (alo script) can be found at:

https://www.nan-elmoth.net/fbsd/7.0-rc1.installworld.txt

Repost of current issues with 7.0:

---

Issue 1:

I originally built my source with WITHOUT_TCSH=YES defined but then
discovered later that OpenOffice.org needs it to build.  I can manually
go into /usr/src/contrib/tcsh and make and make install but when I
attempt to rebuild world (after removed WITHOUT_TSCH=YES from src.conf)
it dies.  See:

https://www.nan-elmoth.net/fbsd/buildworld.tar.gz

---

Issue 2:

To resolve Issue 2 I simply stick WITHOUT_TCSH=YES back in my src.conf
and make buildworld.  Once this completes I continue to follow UPDATING
and make kernel (just fine) and reboot into single user mode.  Once here
though make installworld FAILS.  As you can see my kern.securelevel is
correct and I know for a fact zfs supports symlinks so got me.  To get
around this I do it the old fashion way and make installkernel and
then make install continuing to follow UPDATING
after this (make delete-old and mergemaster -i).

See:

https://www.nan-elmoth.net/fbsd/buildworld_no_tsch.tar.gz
https://www.nan-elmoth.net/fbsd/makeinstallworld.tar.gz

Help on the above issues would be appreciated.  I can provide more info
as needed or troubleshoot further if you provide me exactly what you
want me to do.

Thanks,

-Peter

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Re: Failure of gvinum after panic

2008-01-01 Thread Nikolaj Hansen
Hi all,

A fix is found.

This is not pretty but worked for me. I did this since the attach
command of the old vinum tool is not implemented in gvinum. Which
would be nice.

What I did:

1) snap the vinum config to a file.
2) delete the objects.
3) saveconfig
4) create the same objects again.
5) saveconfig
6) gvinum start

here is some examples:

#!/bin/sh
gvinum rm var
gvinum rm home
gvinum rm usr
gvinum rm var.p0
gvinum rm home.p0
gvinum rm usr.p0
gvinum rm var.p1
gvinum rm home.p1
gvinum rm usr.p1
gvinum rm var.p0.s0
gvinum rm home.p0.s0
gvinum rm usr.p0.s0
gvinum rm var.p1.s0
gvinum rm home.p1.s0
gvinum rm usr.p1.s0

# Vinum configuration of sauron.barnabas.dk, saved at Tue Sep 18 01:11:49 2007
# Current configuration:
volume usr
volume home
volume var
plex name usr.p1 org concat vol usr
plex name home.p1 org concat vol home
plex name var.p1 org concat vol var
plex name usr.p0 org concat vol usr
plex name home.p0 org concat vol home
plex name var.p0 org concat vol var
sd name usr.p1.s0 drive elben len 11521427s driveoffset 4505865s plex
usr.p1 plexoffset 0s
sd name home.p1.s0 drive elben len 2048000s driveoffset 2457865s plex
home.p1 plexoffset 0s
sd name var.p1.s0 drive elben len 1228800s driveoffset 265s plex
var.p1 plexoffset 0s
sd name usr.p0.s0 drive donau len 11521427s driveoffset 4505865s plex
usr.p0 plexoffset 0s
sd name home.p0.s0 drive donau len 2048000s driveoffset 2457865s plex
home.p0 plexoffset 0s
sd name var.p0.s0 drive donau len 1228800s driveoffset 265s plex
var.p0 plexoffset 0s

regards
Nikolaj Hansen

On Dec 28, 2007 2:06 AM, Nikolaj Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have some problems with my gvinum setup after the system panic'ed.
 Afterwards the system fails finding the plexes to the subdisks (or at
 least that is what I can understand after having searched the gvinum
 source code for the error string in the DMESG log..)

 The machine is an IBM Netfinity 5000 and the internal HW self tests
 does not find any errors in the hw.

 Luckily my root is not on a gvinum drive, so I am able to boot the
 server in single user.

 Does anyone have any hints as to what I can do to get gvinum to
 recognize the disks correctly?

 The system is 6.3 stable

 Dont worry about the media disks or anything right now - I am trying
 to revive the system disks for now.

 Thanks

 Nikolaj Hansen

 7 drives:
 D elben State: up   /dev/da1s1h A: 0/7825 MB (0%)
 D donau State: up   /dev/da0s1h A: 0/7825 MB (0%)
 D raid5_4_ad11  State: up   /dev/ad11   A: 6/194480 MB (0%)
 D raid5_3_ad10  State: up   /dev/ad10   A: 6/194480 MB (0%)
 D raid5_2_ad9   State: up   /dev/ad9A: 6/194480 MB (0%)
 D raid5_1_ad8   State: up   /dev/ad8A: 6/194480 MB (0%)
 D spree State: up   /dev/ad4a   A: 3/114473 MB (0%)

 6 volumes:
 V data01State: up   Plexes:   1 Size:111 GB
 V usr   State: up   Plexes:   0 Size:  0  B
 V home  State: up   Plexes:   0 Size:  0  B
 V tmp   State: up   Plexes:   0 Size:  0  B
 V var   State: up   Plexes:   0 Size:  0  B
 V media State: up   Plexes:   1 Size:379 GB

 10 plexes:
 P data01.p0   C State: up   Subdisks: 1 Size:111 GB
 P usr.p1  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P home.p1 C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P tmp.p1  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P var.p1  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P usr.p0  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P home.p0 C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P tmp.p0  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P var.p0  C State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0  B
 P media.p0   R5 State: degraded Subdisks: 3 Size:379 GB

 13 subdisks:
 S data01.p0.s0  State: up   D: spreeSize:111 GB
 S usr.p1.s0 State: up   D: elbenSize:   5625 MB
 S home.p1.s0State: up   D: elbenSize:   1000 MB
 S tmp.p1.s0 State: up   D: elbenSize:600 MB
 S var.p1.s0 State: up   D: elbenSize:600 MB
 S usr.p0.s0 State: up   D: donauSize:   5625 MB
 S home.p0.s0State: up   D: donauSize:   1000 MB
 S tmp.p0.s0 State: up   D: donauSize:600 MB
 S var.p0.s0 State: up   D: donauSize:600 MB
 S media.p0.s0   State: up   D: raid5_1_ad8  Size:189 GB
 S media.p0.s1   State: up   D: raid5_2_ad9  

Re: RELENG_7 jerky mouse and skipping sound (still a problem -BETA3)

2008-01-01 Thread Kris Kennaway

David E. Thiel wrote:

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 11:12:26PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote:

FWIW, the problem remains for me. Still terrible performance
during compiles.
OK.  Instead of going over all of the usual questions again, can you point 
me to a previous mail in which you explain your observations and test 
results in detail?


The most recent is http://marc.info/?l=freebsd-stablem=119428719505129w=2, but
it started way back at 
http://marc.info/?l=freebsd-currentm=118998090512027w=2.

I've tried a lot of stuff in between, and all I've been able to narrow
it down to is that it's not a display driver issue, and that none of
my swap partition is getting used, so that's not the problem. During
compiles, my UP system with ULE still gets very unresponsive when
compiling, sometimes taking up to 10 seconds just to draw a new terminal
window. Even changing focus with the window manager can take several
seconds. I'd like to provide more info, but I'm not sure what stats
are useful for this particular issue. Please let me know. 


dmesg is at http://redundancy.redundancy.org/dmesg.txt, and kernel
config is at http://redundancy.redundancy.org/DEEPTHOUGHT. Even though
I'm still getting reported 80-95% memory utilization and no paging,
I'm going to get an extra gig of RAM on order to see if that improves
things. 2G of ram for a desktop, what's the world coming to? ;)


OK, can you obtain a schedgraph trace when the problem is manifesting? 
See /usr/src/tools/sched/ and previous discussion in this or related 
threads.


Kris
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Re: SMP on FreeBSD 6.x and 7.0: Worth doing?

2008-01-01 Thread Robert Watson

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote:


On 26/12/2007, Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, Squid is the ideal application for IFS.  Do you still have any of your 
work on this, and would you be able to share it?


It'd be easy to rewrite it from scratch if IFS were recovered. In fact, the 
whole point behind IFS, way back when, is I could layer a user-space 
directory hierarchy on top of a kernel provided space and then do stuff (I 
had a POP3 Maildir-like server written using IFS back then.)


The squid code wasn't difficult at all. The biggest problem back then was 
rebuilding the disk index - didn't I have some code to export the inode 
allocation bitmap via a special file in the filesystem so I didn't have to 
stat() each individual inode, or didn't I end up comitting that?


I'm happy to work on that later on next year. I've got enough non-disk Squid 
code to rewrite and optimise over the next few months; the storage side is 
going to have to wait a while.


Do you think the IFS model offers significant benefits from an application 
perspective to, say, the fh*() model used by Arla?  This approach originated, 
as far as I am aware, with the AFS implementation from CMU, in which new 
ioctls added by CMU allowed an give-me-a-free-inode, open-by-inode-number, and 
flagged inodes as in use by AFS even though they weren't hooked up to the 
namespace.  fsck then knew to skip them, but the UFS implementation was 
otherwise largely unmodified.


In the slightly less intrusive Arla view of the world, cache files do appear 
in the UFS name space, but an independent namespace is maintained by the cache 
manager, each with two file system names: a normal path (used to delete the 
cache file if required), and its NFS file handle, which can be used to open, 
stat, etc, the file without a normal file system namespace operation.  The 
user application can allocate a set of inodes in some arbitrary directory tree 
using normal operations (ideally in advance), but when it does so also query 
the NFS file handles for the files using getfh(2).  Then it later performs all 
accesses using the file handles (fhopen(2) fhstat(2), etc), unless they are 
invalidated due to, say, moving the cache to a new file system, in which case 
the handle database can be rebuilt by re-getfh(2)'ing the files using the 
actual file system namespace.  It also passes the file handles to the kernel 
for use by the nnpfs synthetic file system for file access...


Last time I looked closely, it seemed like the main downside to this vs. IFS 
was that you did in fact need real file system names to files with the fh*() 
approach, even though you never used them except for create/destroy.  As long 
as the application effectively cached the inodes for reuse, rather than 
unlinking/creating frequently, this wasn't a problem.  This did, however, mean 
that a whole new metadata layer didn't have to be created for an IFS, and fsck 
requires no modifications as compared to the AFS approach.  So Squid (or 
whatever) would need to populate a tree and build a DB with file handles as 
well as real names in case the DB has to be rebuilt.  You'd also have to be 
careful about crash-recovery state to make sure the squid DB agreed with the 
contents of the files when coming up after a crash, if reusing inodes rather 
than unlinking/reallocating them.


Robert N M Watson
Computer Laboratory
University of Cambridge
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7B4: kernel messages garbled

2008-01-01 Thread Chris H.

Hello, and happy New Year to all!

I'm hoping to update all our servers to 7 in the near future.
As such, I'm experimenting with it on one of our less prominent
production servers.
My procedure for it's installation and usage:

download 7-CURRENT disk1 iso (B4) from nearest freebsd mirror
install choice - minimum + src
make config options, reboot
download cvsup-no-gui pkg
cvsup ports + src
(above procedures performed 2007-12-30)
(above procedures again performed on 2007-12-31)
In every case, I wiped the hard drive, performing a fresh install.

After initial install. Sending a halt, in order to reboot the system
results in garbled messages to the console. Specifically, the
Syncing disks... message is unintelligible. As does is line
preceding it.

Also. After syncing the source, I altered/renamed GENERIC and
performed build/world/kernel, and install/kernel/world.
During the buildworld process I recieved more warnings than I
can recall seeing in previous versions = 6.
ee (aee) resulted in Illegal instruction... core dumped after
the build/install process.

FWIW this is on an i386 2 proc MB.
Given the many changes in 7, I spent more time reading the doc's
and errata than I have spent in previous versions.

Thank you for all your time and attention to this matter.


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Re: 7B4: kernel messages garbled

2008-01-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:09:02PM -0800, Chris H. wrote:
 After initial install. Sending a halt, in order to reboot the system
 results in garbled messages to the console. Specifically, the
 Syncing disks... message is unintelligible. As does is line
 preceding it.

Does garbled mean it looks like there's two separate printf()s
occuring at the same time, with characters interleaved?  If so:

http://jdc.parodius.com/freebsd/common_issues.txt 

Also, your Email address has a hash symbol in it, so I hope this mail
makes it through to you...

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Re: 7B4: kernel messages garbled

2008-01-01 Thread Chris H.

Quoting Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:09:02PM -0800, Chris H. wrote:

After initial install. Sending a halt, in order to reboot the system
results in garbled messages to the console. Specifically, the
Syncing disks... message is unintelligible. As does is line
preceding it.


Does garbled mean it looks like there's two separate printf()s
occuring at the same time, with characters interleaved?  If so:


Yes.



http://jdc.parodius.com/freebsd/common_issues.txt


Thanks. I'll have a look.



Also, your Email address has a hash symbol in it, so I hope this mail
makes it through to you...


Indeed. It does. It's an anti-spam device. While not perfect, it has
helped. :)

OH. It got through. ;)



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Re: 7B4: kernel messages garbled

2008-01-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:39:16PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 Also, your Email address has a hash symbol in it, so I hope this mail
 makes it through to you...

Whatever dnsbl this is is incorrectly labelling our netblock as part of
a DUL, which it is not.  Whatever logic it's using to determine that
is quite flawed.  BAYAREA.NET is a co-lo provider, and we have co-lo
service from them.  I own the boxes in our cage.  We run our own mail
services.

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Mail from 72.20.106.3 REFUSED! See
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Re: RELENG_7 jerky mouse and skipping sound (still a problem -BETA3)

2008-01-01 Thread Anish Mistry
On Sunday 30 December 2007, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 Kip Macy wrote:
  On Nov 19, 2007 9:53 AM, Anish Mistry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Anish Mistry wrote:
  On Monday 05 November 2007, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
  Marc Fonvieille wrote:
  On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 05:53:47PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
  Anish Mistry wrote:
  On Thursday 18 October 2007, Marc Fonvieille wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 12:28:30PM -0400, Anish Mistry 
wrote:
  I just updated to RELENG_7 from 6.2 and I'm running into
  some really annoying issues with jerky mouse movement and
  skipping sound.  This seems to be similar to:
  Re: SCHED_4BSD in RELENG_7 disturbs workflow
  This happens both with 4BSD and ULE.
 
  I seems to happen when I'm compiling ports and a new
  cc/bzip2/sh process fires off (I'm just watching top),
  I'll get the skip/freezeup.
 
  [...]
 
  Using ULE and UP kernel (i.e. without SMP etc.) helped a
  bit the things but it's still very annoying to use firefox
  during ports build.  I see this lag/freeze on all boxes I
  use with 7.0, but it's true that with a fast machine
  people can ignore the problem, it's less obvious than with
  a 1GHz box for example.
 
  Yeah, I'm still seeing this behavior.  Does anyone have
  suggestions on debugging?
 
  Thanks,
 
  I did post the solution in this thread.
 
  It has nothing to do with the mouse.
 
  Does the problem persist for you? It's gone for me, even with
  moused.
 
  Yes, the problem seems to have been fixed.  I'm back to
  kern.hz=1000 and removed FULL_PREEMPTION.  No skipping.
 
  It looks like I spoke too soon.  I've just tried to compile miro
  and as it was compiling the boost-python dependency I noticed
  the problem again.  Switching kern.hz=100 seems to fix the
  problem.  Can any of the developers in this area reproduce the
  issue?  It's pretty easy to reproduce on my 1.33Ghz Athlon.
 
  There is an ithread priority inversion bug that might be causing
  this. The fix for that should be going in shortly.
 
   -Kip
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 Anish,

 Can you confirm that this fix helped for you?  i.e. do you still
 see the problem?
FreeBSD 7.0-RC1 #14: Sun Dec 30 21:50:59 EST 2007
I'm still seeing this problem, but it isn't nearly as bad.  I still 
get some jerky mouse movement, but music doesn't skip now when I'm 
compiling.

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Re: 7B4: kernel messages garbled

2008-01-01 Thread Chris H.

Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Quoting Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:09:02PM -0800, Chris H. wrote:

After initial install. Sending a halt, in order to reboot the system
results in garbled messages to the console. Specifically, the
Syncing disks... message is unintelligible. As does is line
preceding it.


Does garbled mean it looks like there's two separate printf()s
occuring at the same time, with characters interleaved?  If so:


Yes.



http://jdc.parodius.com/freebsd/common_issues.txt


Thanks. I'll have a look.


If I interpreted the thread(s) correctly, adding:
option PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE 128

to my kernel source file fixes this. Correct?
Also, were these threads in regard to 7? I don't
see this in any of our recent 6 kernel messages.
Lastly, just for the record, the only place I ever experience
the garbled (overlapping) messages is to the console. dmesg
seems to be clear.

Thanks.

Chris





Also, your Email address has a hash symbol in it, so I hope this mail
makes it through to you...


Indeed. It does. It's an anti-spam device. While not perfect, it has
helped. :)

OH. It got through. ;)



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