Re: Sense fetching [Was: cdrtools /devel ...]

2011-03-29 Thread Lawrence Stewart
On 11/13/10 20:34, Alexander Motin wrote: > Brandon Gooch wrote: >> 2010/11/5 Alexander Motin : >>> Hi. >>> >>> I've reviewed tests that scgcheck does to SCSI subsystem. It shown >>> combination of several issues in both CAM, ahci(4) and cdrtools itself. >>> Several small patches allow us to pass m

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Adam Vande More (from Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:20:45 -0500): On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Claus Guttesen wrote: I'm aware of that, but the only way the problem shows up is when a windows machine performs an installation or a windows update (and has alot of updates in the pipeline).

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Paul A. Procacci
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0400, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > I would place a pretty good bet that Paris Hilton could setup > and run a FreeBSD desktop. > What are you smoking? I want some. ;P -- Paul Procacci Manager, UNIX Support Services Datapipe Managed Global IT Services 1.201.792.

Re: GELI speed

2011-03-29 Thread Clayton Milos
On 29.03.2011 00:57, Clayton Milos wrote: Hi Pawel I'm running GELI encryption on a hardware RAID5 (8x1TB), formatted to 6.3T usable space using i386 FreeBSD 7.3-PRERELEASE. Write speeds to the drive are just over 40MB/s which is not too bad but I would like to improve it as the drive gets 2

Re: way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Rumen Telbizov
Hi Denny, Although I haven't fully implemented this yet I was thinking of a failover system based on carp + ifstated (/usr/ports/net/ifstated). ifstated will allow you to execute stuff on events like the carp interface becoming the master/backup. As a side note I'd suggest that you consider usin

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
>> It's a supermicro server with dual igb-nics on the mainboard. I did >> try other cables and other ports on the switch (hp procurve). I don't >> have access to the server atm. but I'll get the chip-info in a day or >> two. Both ip-addresses are on same subnet. >> >> Speed is autonegotiated to 1 G

Re: way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Mikolaj Golub
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:17:01 +0200 Denny Schierz wrote: DS> hi, DS> my two nodes are running fine with 8.2-stable and the LSI 9200-8e and DS> now, I want to build a failover for the Zpool (and later ISCSI target) DS> Both nodes are connected to the same disks (jbod) and now I need a way, D

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts on making the move from Linux to BSD. I'm not > making the move because I don't like Linux. Instead, I want to learn BSD. > I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it > as my main dist

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread grenville armitage
On 03/30/2011 06:16, Jason Hsu wrote: [..] So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? PC-BSD. Seriously. You say you've got it already, so try it on real hardware rather than inside virtualbox. I use PC-BSD 8.1 for both my home and work desktops. Try using PC-BSD's "PB

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread J. Hellenthal
First I would recommend posting to the correct mailing list. Second I would recommend as much googling as your fingers can stand. Third BSD != Linux and this has been discussed in depth in previous articles. Fourth and foremost I would place a pretty good bet that Paris Hilton could setup and

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 09:37:34PM +0200, Claus Guttesen wrote: > >> All ip-activitiy, dns, ssh etc. on the interface (ip-address) that is > >> mounted. So whenever I test I log in to the server using the other > >> ip-address and whenever it stops responding to ping or my screen > >> session stops

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 13:20, Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehlwrote: Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do enough computer use you'll have to follow instructions at s

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 3:20:48 PM -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do enough computer use you'll have to foll

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult >> I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do >> enough computer use you'll have to follow instructions at some point. >> >> http://www.freebsd.org

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On March 29, 2011 1:32:23 AM -0400 Jason Hsu > wrote: > > ... > >> 4. What are the Linux Mint and Puppy Linux of the BSD universe? I >> consider these two distros to set the standard in the Linux universe, >> because they're so user-f

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 2:37:07 PM -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: Go to Youtube and see if you can watch a video.  Ubuntu does it out of the box.  FreeBSD only does it after you tweak and tweak and tweak and google and google and google. Or j

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 12:32, Paul Schmehl wrote: That's how silly your argument is. You can't do it, because FreeBSD does not have a system-installed desktop. Even Xorg is a port. It is in linux too, it's just that the various distros who focus on the desktop have bundled it into the default install

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Stephen Montgomery-Smith on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: > 3. Whether or not the use wants the ability to install a proprietary > closed exploit-ridden hellhole depends upon what they want. If they > want to go to movie web sites and view the latest trailers complete with > all the flashy add

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 12:37, Adam Vande More wrote: Java is a different matter. Handbook should be updated to use the iced tea plugin since the other java plugin doesn't work on new FF plus it's other deficiencies. It's been update for some time now. :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/de

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
>> All ip-activitiy, dns, ssh etc. on the interface (ip-address) that is >> mounted. So whenever I test I log in to the server using the other >> ip-address and whenever it stops responding to ping or my screen >> session stops I reload the interfaces and the traffic resumes. > > Are the two NICs t

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Go to Youtube and see if you can watch a video. Ubuntu does it out of the > box. FreeBSD only does it after you tweak and tweak and tweak and google > and google and google. Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that diff

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Michal Varga wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: Here too. How is "desktop support" on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the biggest thing holding me b

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 8:20:04 PM +0200 Michal Varga wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: > Here too. How is "desktop support" on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the big

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Adam Vande More on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: > > I think a entry on people who are obsessed with collecting OS's warrants an > entry in the DSM IV. > Well, I probably warrant my own entry in the DSM IV (just ask my wife). -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o

Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jason Hsu
Thanks for your thoughts on making the move from Linux to BSD. I'm not making the move because I don't like Linux. Instead, I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 7:27:26 PM +0200 Michal Varga wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Could you support your claim with some examples, please? Seriously? Visit Netcraft. Desktop support is lacking when compared to

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andriy Gapon on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: > on 29/03/2011 19:43 Paul Schmehl said the following: > > FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Desktop support is lacking when > > compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). You can make it > > work, > > if you want to, but tha

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > Strange. I followed some instructions that I googled up and it was like > "install > these two ports and run that command" and everything worked. And still > does :) > > (I think that it was www/linux-f10-flashplugin10, www/nspluginwrapper

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
On 29 March 2011 14:53, Michal Varga wrote: > Hi, > [Port building, mplayer/mencoder example w/o options] Packages are build with the default ports options. These turn out to be suitable for me, so I guess they are suitable for others, as well. I never said that building from source is pointless -

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Alex Goncharov
,--- Michal (Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:20:04 +0200) * | There is also no Microsoft Windows Management Console for FreeBSD, does | it make FreeBSD lacking, insufficient, or broken in some specific server | area? It's time to switch this char elsewhere, to -help, perhaps, no? -- Alex -- alex-goncha..

Re: ZFS pool on FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE broken?

2011-03-29 Thread Mark Morley
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:38:54 -0500 Scot Hetzel wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Mark Morley wrote: > Hi there, > > I have a small backup server (8.2-STABLE). �It boots from ufs and has azfs > pool for backups that consists of 8 drives configured as 4 mirrored devices, > totally around 2

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/03/2011 20:51 Matthew Fleming said the following: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: >>> Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes >>> (Windows, Mac and Linux). >> >> Here too. How is "deskt

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: > > Here too. How is "desktop support" on FreeBSD lacking? > > I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the biggest > thing holding me back from using FreeBSD on a de

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Matthew Fleming
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes >> (Windows, Mac and Linux). > > Here too. How is "desktop support" on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop means many

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
2011/3/29 Nikola Pavlović : > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: [...] > As others have pointed out NVidia drivers for FreeBSD have been > available for some time, and they work just fine. Yes, thanks for pointing that out, everybody. :) > As far as eye candy goes,

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: > > On the downside there seem to be some work needing to be done IRT > kernel based 3D acceleration. I don't know the current status, but the > last I heard was that NVidias drivers can't be ported to FreeBSD > because the kernel

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Could you support your claim with some examples, please? > Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes > (Windows, Mac and Linux). Here too. How is "desktop support" on Free

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/03/2011 19:43 Paul Schmehl said the following: > FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Desktop support is lacking when > compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). You can make it > work, > if you want to, but that's not what its primary function is. Chiming in on a r

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Claus Guttesen wrote: > I'm aware of that, but the only way the problem shows up is when a > windows machine performs an installation or a windows update (and has > alot of updates in the pipeline). When traffic (i/o) is low to > moderate it justs goes along with

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 1:32:23 AM -0400 Jason Hsu wrote: Some questions: 1. Is it possible to install KDE, GNOME, or other DE from the FreeBSD CD in a reasonable amount of time? KDE and GNOME are huge programs, and having to download them would take too long. I wouldn't recommend installing

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 8:25:11 AM -0500 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: But the desktop experience of Ubuntu is so easy, and it works so much "out of the box" that I am switching to Ubuntu for a lot of my everyday desktop needs. Not to belabor the point, but this is precisely why I switched from

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:32:23 -0400 Jason Hsu wrote: > I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing > (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to > work properly. > I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness of antiX/Swi

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:59:24 am Christian Walther wrote: > On the downside there seem to be some work needing to be done IRT > kernel based 3D acceleration. I don't know the current status, but the > last I heard was that NVidias drivers can't be ported to FreeBSD > because the kernel lacks s

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Jason Hsu wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness of antiX/Swift Linux and Puppy Linux for so long. I ha

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Claus Guttesen (from Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:57:40 +0200): I'm mounting the FreeBSD-server from a couple of vmware esxi 4.1 servers using nfs, but when there is alot of i/o the server becomes unresponsive, easily triggered by installing ie. ms-sql. The server itself is up but is not reach

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
Hi, On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 12:59 +0200, Christian Walther wrote: > What's the benefit of building everything from source? Yes, you can > configure some of the ports, but in these days you'll end up with > stuff you don't want to have anyway. I'm a zsh user and have hardly > any need for bash, excep

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
Hello Jeremy, On 29 March 2011 13:36, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: [ZSH PCRE Support] Up to now I probably had to need for pcre, since I haven't noticed that it's not part of the package. ;) And in case of an emergency I stick to /sb

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: > What's the benefit of building everything from source? Yes, you can > configure some of the ports, but in these days you'll end up with > stuff you don't want to have anyway. I'm a zsh user and have hardly > any need for bash, exc

way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Denny Schierz
hi, my two nodes are running fine with 8.2-stable and the LSI 9200-8e and now, I want to build a failover for the Zpool (and later ISCSI target) Both nodes are connected to the same disks (jbod) and now I need a way, to get the zpool(s) running on the node with the CARP public IP. I found someth

Re: GELI speed

2011-03-29 Thread Clayton Milos
On 29.03.2011 00:57, Clayton Milos wrote: Hi Pawel I'm running GELI encryption on a hardware RAID5 (8x1TB), formatted to 6.3T usable space using i386 FreeBSD 7.3-PRERELEASE. Write speeds to the drive are just over 40MB/s which is not too bad but I would like to improve it as the drive gets 2

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
Hi, On 29 March 2011 11:33, Michal Varga wrote: > As with other people that replied before - my opinions reflect my > opinions that might actually *not* suit your personal needs. But you > asked. > > On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 01:32 -0400, Jason Hsu wrote: >> Some questions: >> 1.  Is it possible to i

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing > (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to > work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness > of antiX/Swift Li

NFS tuning over ZFS

2011-03-29 Thread George Mamalakis
Hi everybody, I want to use a setup of nfsv3,krb5i mountpoints for my users' homefolders. The clients are linux (Ubuntu) and the server is FreeBSD-8-STABLE. The clients use autofs for mounting the users' homefolders. Once a user logs in, their folder is mounted, and the user has access to the

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
As with other people that replied before - my opinions reflect my opinions that might actually *not* suit your personal needs. But you asked. On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 01:32 -0400, Jason Hsu wrote: > Some questions: > 1. Is it possible to install KDE, GNOME, or other DE from the FreeBSD > CD in a re