Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:08:09PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > * How long the stall is in duration (ex. if there's some way to > > > roughly calculate this using "date" in a shell script) > > They're variable. Some last fractions of a second and are not really > > all that noticeable unl

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 06:56:02AM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > { I've snipped lots of text. For those who are reading this follow-up } > { and wish to read the snipped portions, please see this URL: } > { http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-March/072696.html } > > 1. Is comp

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth "Steven Hartland" : > - Original Message - > From: "Daniel Kalchev" > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > >> I say that knowing lots of people use ZFS-on-root, which is great -- I > >> just wonder how many of them have tested all the crazy scenarios and > >>

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: "Daniel Kalchev" On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I say that knowing lots of people use ZFS-on-root, which is great -- I just wonder how many of them have tested all the crazy scenarios and then tried to boot from things. I have verifie

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: > > ZFS send/recv would eventually complete, but what used to take 15-20 > minutes would take 6-8 hours to complete. > > I've reduced the ARC to only 32 GB, with arc_meta set to 28 GB, and things > are running much smoother now (50-200 MB/s write

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I say that knowing lots of people use ZFS-on-root, which is great -- I > just wonder how many of them have tested all the crazy scenarios and > then tried to boot from things. I have verified that ZFS-on-root works reliably in all of the fol

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 02:18:30PM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 01:09:41PM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > > > > > > - Disks are GPT and are *partitioned, and ZFS refers to the partitions > > > > not the raw disk

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Freddie Cash
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 01:09:41PM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > > > > - Disks are GPT and are *partitioned, and ZFS refers to the partitions > > > not the raw disk -- this matters (honest, it really does; the ZFS > > > code handles thin

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 01:09:41PM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > Completely unrelated to the main thread: > > on 05/03/2013 07:32 Jeremy Chadwick said the following: > > That said, I still do not recommend ZFS for a root filesystem > > Why? Too long a history of problems with it and weird edge ca

Re: reproducible "panic: page fault" with clang-compiled nvidia-driver

2013-03-05 Thread David Wolfskill
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 07:01:39PM +0100, kron wrote: > Hello, > > I have 100% reproducible "page fault" kernel panics on 9-STABLE > (FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #0 r247842M) > > It needs two conditions together: > 1. nvidia-driver built by clang > 2. nvidia_load="YES" in loader.conf Hmmm... I don't see

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Freddie Cash
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Gary Palmer wrote: > Just as a note that there was a page I read in the past few months > that pointed out that having a huge ARC may not always be in the best > interests of the system. Some operation on the filesystem (I forget > what, apologies) caused the syst

reproducible "panic: page fault" with clang-compiled nvidia-driver

2013-03-05 Thread kron
Hello, I have 100% reproducible "page fault" kernel panics on 9-STABLE (FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #0 r247842M) It needs two conditions together: 1. nvidia-driver built by clang 2. nvidia_load="YES" in loader.conf On system startup I get (for example): #1 0x80473164 in kern_reboot (howto=260)

Re: make_dev_physpath_alias

2013-03-05 Thread Ronald Klop
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:40:52 +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: Ronald Klop schreef: On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:10:52 +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: Hello all. I have a supermicro 16 bay box with a LSI 9211-8i card. We use it for temp data storage, and we wanted to try the l4z compression. Aft

Re: make_dev_physpath_alias

2013-03-05 Thread Ronald Klop
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:10:52 +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: Hello all. I have a supermicro 16 bay box with a LSI 9211-8i card. We use it for temp data storage, and we wanted to try the l4z compression. After updating the source tree to r247839: and doing a make buildworld cycle all works

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Gary Palmer
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 12:40:38AM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In article <8c68812328e3483ba9786ef155911...@multiplay.co.uk>, > kill...@multiplay.co.uk writes: > > >Now interesting you should say that I've seen a stall recently on ZFS > >only box running on 6 x SSD RAIDZ2. > > > >The stall was

make_dev_physpath_alias

2013-03-05 Thread Johan Hendriks
Hello all. I have a supermicro 16 bay box with a LSI 9211-8i card. We use it for temp data storage, and we wanted to try the l4z compression. After updating the source tree to r247839: and doing a make buildworld cycle all works fine. But at boot time we get some warnings. make_dev_physpath_al

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Karl Denninger
On 3/5/2013 3:27 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:12:47AM -, Steven Hartland wrote: >> - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Chadwick" >> >> To: "Ben Morrow" >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:32 AM >> Subject: Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be tal

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Andriy Gapon
Completely unrelated to the main thread: on 05/03/2013 07:32 Jeremy Chadwick said the following: > That said, I still do not recommend ZFS for a root filesystem Why? > (this biting people still happens even today) What exactly? > - Disks are GPT and are *partitioned, and ZFS refers to the par

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:12:47AM -, Steven Hartland wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Chadwick" > > To: "Ben Morrow" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:32 AM > Subject: Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults? > > > >On Tue, Mar 05, 201

Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults?

2013-03-05 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: "Jeremy Chadwick" To: "Ben Morrow" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:32 AM Subject: Re: ZFS "stalls" -- and maybe we should be talking about defaults? On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 05:05:47AM +, Ben Morrow wrote: Quoth Karl Denninger : > > Note that th