Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you ask me, kernel developer | server install should be on disc1, and desktop^*$ should go on disc99. FreeBSD ...the power to serve. ^ eh ? ??? So what do you propose to use as workstations with your FreeBSD servers ? (Not that I see much difference in philosophy, nowadays: servers used to be those machines with high throughput all along the night, and now they tend to be those over-reactive transactional n-tier service-providers. What's so different with serving desktop-user requests... Sigh.) Anyway: are you deliberately proposing to concentrate on server, period. And to hell with other users (if one can use FreeBSD to be desktop-productive so much the better, but we shouldn't put too much effort in that) ? Greetings, I would assert that FreeBSD is first and foremost a Server OS. The fact that it can also provide a full blown desktop, is so much the better. In this context, I believe that it makes more sense to place the server related install on the first disc. This makes it possible to install a server with the least amount of effort. It /also/ makes it quite possible for a would-be desktop user to likely only need to exchange discs /one/ time. As the most frequently used desktop items will fit onto their own disc (one disc). Bottom line: this arrangement should ultimately make everyones life easier, and maybe even happier. :) --Chris H gregory ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi ! In this context, I believe that it makes more sense to place the server related install on the first disc. This makes it possible to install a server with the least amount of effort. Granted. It /also/ makes it quite possible for a would-be desktop user to likely only need to exchange discs /one/ time. As the most frequently used desktop items will fit onto their own disc (one disc). I fully agree with that. Bottom line: this arrangement should ultimately make everyones life easier, and maybe even happier. :) Sure enough. :-) cheers, gregory delfly ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
--On Monday, March 03, 2008 02:20:49 -0800 Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would assert that FreeBSD is first and foremost a Server OS. The fact that it can also provide a full blown desktop, is so much the better. In this context, I believe that it makes more sense to place the server related install on the first disc. This makes it possible to install a server with the least amount of effort. It /also/ makes it quite possible for a would-be desktop user to likely only need to exchange discs /one/ time. As the most frequently used desktop items will fit onto their own disc (one disc). While I would agree with you in principle, I doubt seriously you could be a server OS on one disk. What server are we talking about? Web? Email? Webmail? Database? FTP? File server? Home directory server? DNS server? Collaboration server? Combination of the above? The possibilities are endless, and I doubt they all fit on one iso. Bottom line: this arrangement should ultimately make everyones life easier, and maybe even happier. :) Feh. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there *is* no *right* way to do this, because it depends entirely upon what the purpose of the box is and what the preferences of the installer are. Perhaps a DVD iso is the best that can be done. Personally I don't install packages from the iso. I update ports to current and compile from source. So I don't really care what's on the isos, but, as the OP pointed out, not everyone has the luxury of an internet connection when they're doing an install, so effort in this area is probably warranted. I just don't think that *any* solution will satisfy everyone (short of a DVD, which *may* be able to hold everything. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --On Monday, March 03, 2008 02:20:49 -0800 Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would assert that FreeBSD is first and foremost a Server OS. The fact that it can also provide a full blown desktop, is so much the better. In this context, I believe that it makes more sense to place the server related install on the first disc. This makes it possible to install a server with the least amount of effort. It /also/ makes it quite possible for a would-be desktop user to likely only need to exchange discs /one/ time. As the most frequently used desktop items will fit onto their own disc (one disc). While I would agree with you in principle, I doubt seriously you could be a server OS on one disk. What server are we talking about? Web? Email? Webmail? Database? FTP? File server? Home directory server? DNS server? Collaboration server? Combination of the above? The possibilities are endless, and I doubt they all fit on one iso. Bottom line: this arrangement should ultimately make everyones life easier, and maybe even happier. :) Feh. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there *is* no *right* way to do this, because it depends entirely upon what the purpose of the box is and what the preferences of the installer are. Perhaps a DVD iso is the best that can be done. Personally I don't install packages from the iso. Nor do I, except to the extent of jumpstarting a src ports download, followed by c(v)sup and (re)build of anything desired. As to being able to put a server on 1 CD; given your chosen scenario, it is quite possible to provide src ports in source form on 1 CD. So nothing prevents a server install from scratch. On the other hand; providing a server install out of /packages/ requires a bit more discretion - exactly /which/ packages should be chosen to be the defacto server. That should be accomplished in the same fashion that they have (already?) decided - those /most/ chosen by users based on some form of statistical data. The sources for stats are many, and I'm sure it's not /too/ difficult to determine the best one(s) to choose from. But of course; You can please some of the people, some of the time. But you can't please /all/ of the people, /all/ of the time. However, in /this/ scenario, I'm pretty sure you can please /most/ of the people /most/ of the time. :) --Chris H I update ports to current and compile from source. So I don't really care what's on the isos, but, as the OP pointed out, not everyone has the luxury of an internet connection when they're doing an install, so effort in this area is probably warranted. I just don't think that *any* solution will satisfy everyone (short of a DVD, which *may* be able to hold everything. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Ken Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 19:18 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: Another approach might be to make one cd the desktop install cd, including all of the apps commonly used to install the desktop (xorg, kde, gnome, etc.) This is already in place, as best I can. X.org is on disc1 (on purpose since it's something you can select in the Distributions section before even getting to the Do you want to browse packages? menu), while Gnome and KDE are both on disc2. If you select All in the distributions section it will install X.org during the initial install phase. If you then install only KDE and/or Gnome it will only ask for disc2 once you get past the package selection. The combination of KDE and Gnome basically fill even the newer 700Mb target media sizes so for it to get any better sysinstall needs to be made smarter. It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. I am definitely not arguing that point, lots can be done here. If you ask me, kernel developer | server install should be on disc1, and desktop^*$ should go on disc99. FreeBSD ...the power to serve. ^ --Chris H -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you ask me, kernel developer | server install should be on disc1, and desktop^*$ should go on disc99. FreeBSD ...the power to serve. ^ eh ? ??? So what do you propose to use as workstations with your FreeBSD servers ? (Not that I see much difference in philosophy, nowadays: servers used to be those machines with high throughput all along the night, and now they tend to be those over-reactive transactional n-tier service-providers. What's so different with serving desktop-user requests... Sigh.) Anyway: are you deliberately proposing to concentrate on server, period. And to hell with other users (if one can use FreeBSD to be desktop-productive so much the better, but we shouldn't put too much effort in that) ? gregory ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:01:56AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you propose to use as workstations with your FreeBSD servers ? (Not that I see much difference in philosophy, nowadays: servers used to be those machines with high throughput all along the night, and now they tend to be those over-reactive transactional n-tier service-providers. What's so different with serving desktop-user requests... Sigh.) Anyway: are you deliberately proposing to concentrate on server, period. And to hell with other users (if one can use FreeBSD to be desktop-productive so much the better, but we shouldn't put too much effort in that) ? Do we really need another MacOS X? :-) Just kidding. Eugene ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. Greetings. BSD is /different/. Which is /not/ bad, just /different/. :) I ventured a cheat sheet for a build/install world/kernel for someone on this list. I'll venture an Install cheat sheet here. :) OK. First things first: download your choice of either version-RELEASE-arc-disc1.iso, or version-RELEASE-arc-bootonly.iso. I prefer disc1, and will assume so for the rest of this post * burn downloaded CD (it's possible to mount/install it in iso form, but I'll not go into that here). * boot to burned cd * choose minimal - smallest available option (can't recall the exact verbage) * choose and make any required settings that insure working internet connection upon reboot. * reboot * log on as root - or su to root after logging on as regular user * type /usr/sbin/sysinstall - this brings up the installer again * choose post install * choose install additional ports/packages * choose net/cvsup-without-gui * when finished, exit the installer * now at the shell again, OK. There's probably a little contention here; some might argue that you should choose to install /usr/src while in sysinstall. But I hate doing things twice, and since I always have a recent copy of /usr/src/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile, and /usr/src/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile around, and simply copy them to my /root/ folder. That said, if you /don't/ already have a copy of both, use sysinstall to grab/install src. in either case: * at your shell, with a recent copy of /usr/src/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile and /usr/src/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile edit both of them adding your chosen freebsd location * When finished, run the following: cvsup -g -L 2 /root/stable-supfile This assumes stable-supfile is located in your /root/ folder - adjust to it's location. * When finished, type rehash. Then run the following: cvsup -g -L 2 /root/ports-supfile NOTE: had this /not/ been a fresh install, I would have suggested running: cvsup -g -L 2 /root/ports-supfile portsdb -uU pkgdb -F more on this later. * when cvsup finishes, type rehash. * cd to /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portaudit * type make make install make clean * when it completes, type rehash * now type portaudit -Fda. This will inform you of security issues related to your version(s) of ports * now cd to /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade These contain the ports I mentioned in the NOTE above. * type make make install make clean * type rehash * Now, next time you update your ports, you'll be able to generate, and keep your ports INDEX in sync * OK now you're in good shape, you'll probably want to cd /usr/src/sys/arc/conf and cp ./GENERIC to your choice of kernel name. Edit it to your satisfaction. Then do a buildworld/kernel installkernel/world session In any event you're now in a position to build/install anything the BSD ports system has to offer. While this /may/ seem like a long process, it's not. It's very quick. In fact it /is/ faster than the Linux GUI install process - I just performed one the other day. Then blew it away and replaced it with a fresh copy of RELENG_7. :) Happy BSD'ing --Chris H People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:18:52 -0600 Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. Suggestion for a quick fix (hack might be the right word): 1. first time one of the extra cd's is read, the user gets a choice to copy the cd to hard drive, with appropriate warnings for free space, time to copy, etc. 2. repeat step 1 everytime a new extra cd is needed the installer would then install from the hard drive, and excessive cd swaps would be avoided. As long as this is documented in the install document, and users can choose to do it or not, we arer not placing any extra burden on those who do not need it. Just my 0.2 eurocents. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Le Thursday 28 February 2008 13:18:30 Kris Kennaway, vous avez écrit : freebsd update requires a known state to upgrade from, i.e. so it can apply the right set of diffs to bring your system from one known state to another. This basically means previously installed from the release media and only updated using freebsd update. I have installed FreeBSD from a «release media» a long time ago ( RELENG_5 ), and, of course, updated it from the sources. so, now, there is no way to use this script to update my box ? If you previously did an update using cvsup to go from 6.3-RELEASE to some unknown point in 6.3-STABLE then you can just do another cvsup to go to 7.0 :) i did; i am running 7.0-STABLE now. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Chris H. wrote: * log on as root - or su to root after logging on as regular user * type /usr/sbin/sysinstall - this brings up the installer again * choose post install * choose install additional ports/packages * choose net/cvsup-without-gui * when finished, exit the installer A very nice worklist, except for the section above. I have two objections to it. The first is aesthetic, since you could simply replace all those steps by typing: # pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui at the root shell prompt. The second is a functional objection: it's a waste of time to install cvsup-without-gui when csup(1) is in the base system (and has been since 6.1-RELEASE or there abouts.) A typical command to download the contents of /usr/src changes from: # cvsup -g -L 2 -h cvsup.XX.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile to # csup -L 2 -h cvsup.XX.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile (where XX is the two letter ISO code for the country where you live (or 'uk')) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BSD is /different/. Which is /not/ bad, just /different/. :) Never said it was bad (on the *very* contrary) Been using it for a little more than 10 years now: would I have been if I had thought otherwise ? ;-) * choose net/cvsup-without-gui no longer needed: csup is readily available ! (and works perfectly) cvsup -g -L 2 /root/stable-supfile That needs an internet access which, precisely, I lack in my office ! In any event you're now in a position to build/install anything the BSD ports system has to offer. While this /may/ seem like a long process, it's not. It's very quick. In fact it /is/ faster than the Linux GUI install process - I just performed one the other day. Then blew it away and replaced it with a fresh copy of RELENG_7. :) I *really* have nothing against the installer UI (to tell the truth, I'd rather it not be changed, however modern the desktopbsd installer may have seemed to me, I definitely prefer the old one) The problem I pinpoint is this: for people without internet access once they have downloaded the whole CD set, having to swap CDs during install *so many times* is a real PITA. It might prove a deterrent for would-be new users. And also, it is not up to the good work that went in the OS proper, and documentation and all. Of course had I the opportunity, I would go with the way I do *at home* where I have an xDSL link: boot-only CD and making ports (or packages, depending on available time). Precisely what you described. But without an internet connection it is just not possible. Now, thinking over yesterday's experience: maybe I should have grabbed the boot-only CD and burnt a DVD with packages, and then establish a kind of repository with those. Then again, it would consume precious network bandwidth (desktop is for remote administering...) if I wanted to make it available to colleagues. Bottom line: I think the installer needs a fix in how to handle package installation when spanning several CDs. It's an opinion, though. Based on (a bad) experience, but still an opinion... I'm aware CDs are still indispensable, since many machines are not equipped with DVD drives. But couldn't we imagine a desktop oriented release on DVD (which would be the exact same as the CD set, maybe only with more packages to take advantage of the supplementary space available) ? (if fixing the installer swapping thing is too much trouble) gregory ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Matthew Seaman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. Cheers, Matthew [ A shame about the package disc jockey effect, if anyone has time to fix it, great, but meantime ... ] Some of those facing a big package install sequence won't have net access (desert island effect : security firewall locked tight / high coms cost etc ) .. solution for them : Minimal install as Matthew suggested, then load all cdroms on hard disc, all packages in one directory, then run sysinstall or pkg_install from multi user base. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML Base64 is spam. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris H. wrote: * log on as root - or su to root after logging on as regular user * type /usr/sbin/sysinstall - this brings up the installer again * choose post install * choose install additional ports/packages * choose net/cvsup-without-gui * when finished, exit the installer A very nice worklist, except for the section above. Thanks. I felt compelled to venture /something/. :) I have two objections to it. The first is aesthetic, since you could simply replace all those steps by typing: # pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui True. My bad. at the root shell prompt. The second is a functional objection: it's a waste of time to install cvsup-without-gui when csup(1) is in the base system (and has been since 6.1-RELEASE or there abouts.) Old habits die hard. :) I started using cvsup-without-gui around 3.2, and didn't realize csup was introduced to disc1. Thanks for the heads-up. A typical command to download the contents of /usr/src changes from: # cvsup -g -L 2 -h cvsup.XX.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile to # csup -L 2 -h cvsup.XX.freebsd.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile (where XX is the two letter ISO code for the country where you live (or 'uk')) Cheers, Matthew Best wishes. --Chris H -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Chris H. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BSD is /different/. Which is /not/ bad, just /different/. :) Never said it was bad (on the *very* contrary) Been using it for a little more than 10 years now: would I have been if I had thought otherwise ? ;-) * choose net/cvsup-without-gui no longer needed: csup is readily available ! (and works perfectly) cvsup -g -L 2 /root/stable-supfile That needs an internet access which, precisely, I lack in my office ! In any event you're now in a position to build/install anything the BSD ports system has to offer. While this /may/ seem like a long process, it's not. It's very quick. In fact it /is/ faster than the Linux GUI install process - I just performed one the other day. Then blew it away and replaced it with a fresh copy of RELENG_7. :) I *really* have nothing against the installer UI (to tell the truth, I'd rather it not be changed, however modern the desktopbsd installer may have seemed to me, I definitely prefer the old one) The problem I pinpoint is this: for people without internet access once they have downloaded the whole CD set, having to swap CDs during install *so many times* is a real PITA. It might prove a deterrent for would-be new users. And also, it is not up to the good work that went in the OS proper, and documentation and all. Of course had I the opportunity, I would go with the way I do *at home* where I have an xDSL link: boot-only CD and making ports (or packages, depending on available time). Precisely what you described. But without an internet connection it is just not possible. Now, thinking over yesterday's experience: maybe I should have grabbed the boot-only CD and burnt a DVD with packages, and then establish a kind of repository with those. Then again, it would consume precious network bandwidth (desktop is for remote administering...) if I wanted to make it available to colleagues. Bottom line: I think the installer needs a fix in how to handle package installation when spanning several CDs. It's an opinion, though. Based on (a bad) experience, but still an opinion... I'm aware CDs are still indispensable, since many machines are not equipped with DVD drives. But couldn't we imagine a desktop oriented release on DVD (which would be the exact same as the CD set, maybe only with more packages to take advantage of the supplementary space available) ? (if fixing the installer swapping thing is too much trouble) Hello gregory, All valid points. I guess I've been using fat pipes for so long I forget their not /always/ available. :) I'll venture an install from mounted ISO image(s) tutorial. It overcomes all those issues with not having a fast connection to the internet woes. (assuming you can get the ISO images - but then again, you wouldn't have a CD if you couldn't get the ISO's would you). But I'm not up to it right now. I'll save it for another posting. Best wishes. --Chris H gregory ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- panic: kernel trap (ignored) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 19:18 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: Another approach might be to make one cd the desktop install cd, including all of the apps commonly used to install the desktop (xorg, kde, gnome, etc.) This is already in place, as best I can. X.org is on disc1 (on purpose since it's something you can select in the Distributions section before even getting to the Do you want to browse packages? menu), while Gnome and KDE are both on disc2. If you select All in the distributions section it will install X.org during the initial install phase. If you then install only KDE and/or Gnome it will only ask for disc2 once you get past the package selection. The combination of KDE and Gnome basically fill even the newer 700Mb target media sizes so for it to get any better sysinstall needs to be made smarter. It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. I am definitely not arguing that point, lots can be done here. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
But I'm not up to it right now. I'll save it for another posting. Posting come go forgotten, so I suggest send your final script as a send-pr to eg the doc/ tree. That (doc/ tree) ( www tree generated from it, copied in advanced to local host) people can have available eg on local laptop, even if off line travelling, so no need of continuous net/ web dependence. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML Base64 is spam. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
--On Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:32 PM +0800 Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can actually use csup instead of cvsup and it is already included in the base. I knew that, but old habits die hard. Plus I haven't read the csup man page yet. :-) Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Quoting Ken Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi ! On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. I really think we should do something about it. Either group the packages with dependencies together on a same CD, or let the installer mark packages belonging to another CD as dirty and make it try to install them later in a second pass... I don't know... I guess a DVD release would more than help: all the packages would be on a single disc (plus, we might add some more). Then again, that wouldn't solve the problem of people needing to install it from CDs, though. (I'm aware scripts exist on the web to group iso's together and make a DVD, but I'm talking of a properly released one) I hadn't been aware of that until today, since at home I upgrade with the usual source compiling steps. But in my office there is no internet connection available for that kind of operations, so I had to recourse to the CDs... That didn't help me convince the GNU/Linux users (although some really were interested, because they enjoy our documentation...). But I especially find it regrettable that a minor annoyances such as these spoil, in a way, all the good work that's done for the OS itself :-( Even more so when keeping in mind people coming from other OS backgrounds and wanting to use it as a desktop OS: more thant the appearance of the installer (which I keep thinking is definitely efficacious, however spartan) it is that problem with CD-toasting just to install packages that might prove a deterrent :-( That said, I'm all too willing to give a hand to people in charge with this issue. And yes, thank you all again *very much* for bringing 7.0 ! gregory ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
--On Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 PM + Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. That's true, however he didn't have an internet connection. Furthermore, he has a valid point. My custom is to install the base system and ports, then install bash and cvsup. Just installing those two ports requires the use of both of the extra cds, because bash is one and cvsup is on the other. I'm sure it wouldn't satisfy everyone, but ISTM if an attempt was made to put the most frequently installed packages on one cd, the problem would be solved for most people. Since we're collecting those stats with bsdtstats now, we should have some useful data to work with. Another approach might be to make one cd the desktop install cd, including all of the apps commonly used to install the desktop (xorg, kde, gnome, etc.) It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 19:18 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 PM + Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I've just spent the whole morning installing it on my office desktop. It was an awful experience: installing packages from the three CDs kept making me switch from one CD to the other then to the previous one before the next one again... All in all about twenty-times !!! (sometimes just for ONE package, for Christ's sake !) It was particularly annoying, especially with those Linux guys around sneering when comparing it to their smooth install. People in the know, and those with reasonable network bandwidth, generally use either the 'boot only' or just the 'disk 1' CDs to install a pretty minimal system, and then install packages, run cvsup, use freebsd updates etc. from the net. It's a whole lot smoother than juggling CDs. That's true, however he didn't have an internet connection. Furthermore, he has a valid point. My custom is to install the base system and ports, then install bash and cvsup. Just installing those two ports requires the use of both of the extra cds, because bash is one and cvsup is on the other. I'm sure it wouldn't satisfy everyone, but ISTM if an attempt was made to put the most frequently installed packages on one cd, the problem would be solved for most people. Since we're collecting those stats with bsdtstats now, we should have some useful data to work with. Another approach might be to make one cd the desktop install cd, including all of the apps commonly used to install the desktop (xorg, kde, gnome, etc.) It does seem to me that some work in this area would pay dividends. You can actually use csup instead of cvsup and it is already included in the base. But yes, it would be nice to have an official DVD release :P . Regards! -- Nawfal bin Mohmad Rouyan CITS, Multimedia University Come, come, whoever you are. Worshiper, Wanderer, Lover of Leaving; Ours is not a caravan of despair. Though you have broken your vows a thousand times... Come, come again, Come. - Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Le Wednesday 27 February 2008 23:32:55 Ken Smith, vous avez écrit : http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. I am trying to use the freebsd-update script for the first time. And this script fails on: --- david# sh ./freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 7.0-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching public key from update1.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. --- How to override this step ? Thanks. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Le Thursday 28 February 2008 12:32:28 David Marec, vous avez écrit : I am trying to use the freebsd-update script for the first time. sh -x freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 7.0-RELEASE upgrade -- + fetch -q http://update1.FreeBSD.org/6.3-STABLE/i386/pub.ssl + true + [ -r pub.ssl ] -- «6.3-STABLE» folder does not exist on the update server !? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Thank you all and Congrats! :) Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ - Original Message From: Ken Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-stable freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:32:55 AM Subject: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been formally released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
David Marec wrote: Le Thursday 28 February 2008 12:32:28 David Marec, vous avez écrit : I am trying to use the freebsd-update script for the first time. sh -x freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 7.0-RELEASE upgrade freebsd update requires a known state to upgrade from, i.e. so it can apply the right set of diffs to bring your system from one known state to another. This basically means previously installed from the release media and only updated using freebsd update. If you previously did an update using cvsup to go from 6.3-RELEASE to some unknown point in 6.3-STABLE then you can just do another cvsup to go to 7.0 :) Kris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Congrats :)) I have been waiting it : p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? Georgi Iovchev -- Thursday, February 28, 2008, 12:32:55 AM: Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been forma lly released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's he re: [1]http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD . We hope you enjoy the new release. References 1. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Georgi Iovchev wrote: Congrats :)) I have been waiting it : p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? Georgi Iovchev You need to rebuild the kernel also. It started calling itself 7.0-RELEASE in the RELENG_7_0 branch 4 days ago. Kris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Congrats :)) I have been waiting it : p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? Georgi Iovchev You proberly have the wrong tag in you cvsup file it must read tag=RELENG_7_0 you have RELENG_7 Regards, Johan Hendriks ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:32:11PM +0200, Georgi Iovchev wrote: p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? I csup'd RELENG_7 4 hours ago then rebuilt kernel/world. The version I'm seeing is 7.0-STABLE. FreeBSD icarus.home.lan 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Thu Feb 28 01:13:42 PST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SM5015MT i386 -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Greetings, Georgi Iovchev wrote: Congrats :)) I have been waiting it : p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 RELENG_7 will show 7.0-STABLE. If you want release use RELENG_7_0. I guess there is not big difference between R_7 R_7_0, but from now it's going to change more and more. For production environment R_7_X is recommended, but if you need more then critical patches and security updates R_7 is the way to go. and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? Georgi Iovchev -- Thursday, February 28, 2008, 12:32:55 AM: Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been forma lly released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's he re: [1]http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD . We hope you enjoy the new release. References 1. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Thank you all for answers. I guess i'll use stable (R_7) in home and release (R_7_0 for now) on servers Have a good rebuilding night! : Stefan Lambrev wrote .. Greetings, Georgi Iovchev wrote: Congrats :)) I have been waiting it : p.s. yesteday csuped sources and rebuilded world, but my tag in supfile was RELENG_7 not 7_0 RELENG_7 will show 7.0-STABLE. If you want release use RELENG_7_0. I guess there is not big difference between R_7 R_7_0, but from now it's going to change more and more. For production environment R_7_X is recommended, but if you need more then critical patches and security updates R_7 is the way to go. and now in dmesg i am stil getting FreeBSD 7 PRERELEASE is this a problem, and should i csup again and rebuild world again? Georgi Iovchev -- Thursday, February 28, 2008, 12:32:55 AM: Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been forma lly released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's he re: [1]http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD . We hope you enjoy the new release. References 1. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Terrific job! Thanks for anyone contributed to this fine release :) On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Ken Smith wrote: Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been formally released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE Available
Ken Smith wrote: Just in case some interested parties are not subscribed to the freebsd-announce mailing list... FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE has been formally released. If you would like to see the release announcement it's here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html On behalf of the FreeBSD Project thanks for your interest in FreeBSD. We hope you enjoy the new release. Thanks guys - much appreciated by those of us that use it as our everyday os! ... upgrading from 6.3 stable as we speak... regards Mark ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
