Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Kip Macy
freebsd-stable is not an advocacy list. This is very off-topic. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Holger Kipp wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: >> >> For the masses: >> >> - NetBSD: Run on any hardware (including

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread David Sanders
2009/6/22 Eric Furman > BWAAAHAHAHAHAH, what a bunch of retards > Please stop sending this crap to OBSD lists. That is surely one of the most brilliant replies I've ever seen from an advocacy@ address. Yes, I am being sarcastic. ___ freebsd-stable@f

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Chris Rees
2009/6/22 Eric Furman : > BWAAAHAHAHAHAH, what a bunch of  retards > Please stop sending this crap to OBSD lists. > Oh yeah, OpenBSD people also tend to be *very* direct with conversations, demonstrated by Eric here. Not entirely a criticism, it's just that you can expect the climate in mailing l

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Eric Furman
BWAAAHAHAHAHAH, what a bunch of retards Please stop sending this crap to OBSD lists. On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:55:14 +0200, "Holger Kipp" said: > Daniel Bolgheroni schrieb: > > On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Holger Kipp wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: > >> > >> For

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Holger Kipp
Daniel Bolgheroni schrieb: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Holger Kipp wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: For the masses: - NetBSD: Run on any hardware (including toasters) - OpenBSD: Be as secure as possible - FreeBSD: provide best system for x86-platforms It's a mi

RE: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Michal
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Kester Sent: 19 June 2009 20:24 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD On Fri 19 Jun 2009 at 11:23:26 PDT Michael R. Wayne wrote: > >OK, I&#

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-22 Thread Anton Parol
OBSD is the best choice of OS for people who like violent little fish mascots. And it has blue-boot-console-thingy (tm) . Ace. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send a

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-21 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Holger Kipp wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: > > For the masses: > > - NetBSD: Run on any hardware (including toasters) > - OpenBSD: Be as secure as possible > - FreeBSD: provide best system for x86-platforms It's a mistake to make this associ

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Kip Macy
> I agree, this shouldn't necessarily be treated as flamebait or trolling. > > But shouldn't the question be redirected to the advocacy mailing > list/team? Yes. This list is for targeted technical questions. It isn't realistic to expect a discussion of this nature to stay on-topic. -Kip

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Charlie Kester
On Fri 19 Jun 2009 at 11:23:26 PDT Michael R. Wayne wrote: OK, I'm going to take a guess here that English may not be Michal's primary language and re-ask his question: Given the several versions of *BSD, I have been led to understand that each excells in different ways. How do I select wh

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kip Macy wrote: > Individuals in each of the camps (Free, Open, Net) are frequently > deeply invested in their platforms of choice to the point where they > identify with them. In addition, many if not most of us are only > familiar with one of them. Thus, it isn'

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Kip Macy
Individuals in each of the camps (Free, Open, Net) are frequently deeply invested in their platforms of choice to the point where they identify with them. In addition, many if not most of us are only familiar with one of them. Thus, it isn't really fair to ask us to compare the three. You will enjo

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Michael R. Wayne
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 06:23:09AM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > On Friday 19 June 2009 04:47:35 Michal wrote: > > > > "Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related > > I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to > > prove this though." >

RES: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread ricardo
[mailto:owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org] Em nome de Giancarlo Razzolini Enviada em: sexta-feira, 19 de junho de 2009 11:01 Para: Michal Cc: m...@openbsd.org; dem...@thephinix.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Assunto: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Michal escreveu: > It wasn't an argument or a versus anyt

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of dem...@thephinix.org Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; m...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is muc

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread neal hogan
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 01:02:40PM +0100, Michal wrote: > It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating > to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for > different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! To be fair,

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Ruben van Staveren
On 19 Jun 2009, at 14:02, Timo Schoeler wrote: Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. Above all, they contribute to the genetic diversity in the operating system pool. Which is a good thing. - Ruben ___ freebsd-stabl

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus dem...@thephinix.org spake: Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. Exactly. So why feeding this iss

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread demuel
Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no w

RE: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Michal
[mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of dem...@thephinix.org Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; m...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Cem Kayali
I agree. Thanks for reminding. I will not reply to this one anymore. Regards, Cem dem...@thephinix.org, 06/19/09 14:41: Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each o

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Cem Kayali
I have used NetBSD several years on mainly amd64 platform, and these are + properties. - Xen support and boot NetBSD as dom0 and a Linux ie; Ubuntu as domU. - Clean design of rc.d scripts. Also NetBSD does not automatically populate rc.d scripts, user adds sample one (displayed after install

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Oliver Pinter
and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras wrote: > Kim Attree wrote: > >> NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I >> don't >> have any weird hard

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread STeve Andre'
On Friday 19 June 2009 04:47:35 Michal wrote: > Someone once said this too me > > "Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related > I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to > prove this though." > > Every offence to the person which sai

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Cem Kayali
Michal Sent: 19 June 2009 10:48 AM To: m...@openbsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Open Vs Free BSD Someone once said this too me "Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out t

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Ivan Voras
Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS ("smart" journalling

Re: Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Holger Kipp
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: > Someone once said this too me > > "Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related > I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to > prove this though." > > Every offence to the perso

Open Vs Free BSD

2009-06-19 Thread Michal
Someone once said this too me "Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though." Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though