Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-25 Thread Gary Palmer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:48:54PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:39:28AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> IIRC, Plextor (and maybe some others) had a switch to select 512 or > >> 2048 as the default transfer s

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-21 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Kevin Oberman (from Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:33:27 > -0700): > >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alexander Leidinger >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick >>> wrote: >>> But the currently "kno

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-21 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Kevin Oberman (from Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:33:27 -0700): On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: But the currently "known method" is to use gnop(8).  Here's an example: http://www.leidinger.net/blog/2011/

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-20 Thread perryh
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:39:28AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > IIRC, Plextor (and maybe some others) had a switch to select 512 or > > 2048 as the default transfer size, precisely so that they could be > > used as boot devices with systems that supported only

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:39:28AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> IIRC, Plextor (and maybe some others) had a switch to select 512 or >> 2048 as the default transfer size, precisely so that they could be >> used as boot devices with syst

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:39:28AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > On 2011-Jul-19 10:54:38 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > >> Unix operating systems like SunOS 3 and NEXTSTEP would happily > > >> run with a DEV_BS

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread perryh
Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2011-Jul-19 10:54:38 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> Unix operating systems like SunOS 3 and NEXTSTEP would happily > >> run with a DEV_BSIZE of 1024 or larger-- they'd boot fine off > >> of optical media using 2048-byt

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, Chuck Swiger wrote: Is there something in FreeBSD which is preventing you from using the drive's native DEV_BSIZE of 4096 bytes, or is it that the drive claims to have a physical block size of 512 bytes when it is really 4k? Are there any 4K-block drives that are honest a

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 02:33:27PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alexander Leidinger >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick >> > wrote: >> > >> >> But the currently "known metho

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2011-Jul-19 10:54:38 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> Unix operating >> systems like SunOS 3 and NEXTSTEP would happily run with a DEV_BSIZE >> of 1024 or larger-- they'd boot fine off of optical media using >> 2048-byte sectors, > > Actually, Su

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 02:33:27PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alexander Leidinger > wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick > > wrote: > > > >> But the currently "known method" is to use gnop(8). ?Here's an > >> example: > >> > >> http://w

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick > wrote: > >> But the currently "known method" is to use gnop(8).  Here's an >> example: >> >> http://www.leidinger.net/blog/2011/05/03/another-root-on-zfs-howto-optimized-for-4k-secto

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Jul-19 10:54:38 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Unix operating >systems like SunOS 3 and NEXTSTEP would happily run with a DEV_BSIZE >of 1024 or larger-- they'd boot fine off of optical media using >2048-byte sectors, Actually, Sun used customised CD-ROM drives that faked 512-byte sectors t

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:41:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > But the currently "known method" is to use gnop(8). Here's an > example: > > http://www.leidinger.net/blog/2011/05/03/another-root-on-zfs-howto-optimized-for-4k-sector-drives/ > > Now, that's for ZFS, but I'm under the impression the

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: >> Is there something in FreeBSD which is preventing you from using the drive's >> native DEV_BSIZE of 4096 bytes, or is it that the drive claims to have a >> physical block size of 512 bytes when it is really 4k? > > Nope, "only" that. :-) It's

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Ivan Voras
On 19.7.2011. 19:54, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: I just wish FreeBSD had some decent documentation on such a fundamental operation. Fortunately there are some pretty good articles folks have written, but they did leave me with several questions. Is t

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-19 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I just wish FreeBSD had some decent documentation on such a fundamental > operation. Fortunately there are some pretty good articles folks have > written, but they did leave me with several questions. Is there something in FreeBSD which is prev

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 03:50:15PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> I just want to check on the status of 4K sector support in FreeBSD.  I read >> a long thread on the topic from a while back and it looks like I might hit >> some >> issues i

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:38:00PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > On 7/18/11 7:41 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 03:50:15PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > >> I just want to check on the status of 4K sector support in FreeBSD. I read > >> a long thread on the topic from a while

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-18 Thread Glen Barber
On 7/18/11 7:41 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 03:50:15PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> I just want to check on the status of 4K sector support in FreeBSD. I read >> a long thread on the topic from a while back and it looks like I might hit >> some >> issues if I'm not REAL

Re: Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-18 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 03:50:15PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I just want to check on the status of 4K sector support in FreeBSD. I read > a long thread on the topic from a while back and it looks like I might hit > some > issues if I'm not REALLY careful. Since I will be keeping the existing

Status of support for 4KB disk sectors

2011-07-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
I just want to check on the status of 4K sector support in FreeBSD. I read a long thread on the topic from a while back and it looks like I might hit some issues if I'm not REALLY careful. Since I will be keeping the existing Windows installation, I need to be sure that I can set up the disk corre