Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: ... don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long ... It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. Once csup goes away, how will a base-only system update the sources, e.g. to follow a security branch? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 26 Nov 2012 08:12, Perry Hutchison per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: ... don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long ... It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. Once csup goes away, how will a base-only system update the sources, e.g. to follow a security branch? freebsd-update will update your sources for you. Chris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 26/11/2012 08:07, Perry Hutchison wrote: Once csup goes away, how will a base-only system update the sources, e.g. to follow a security branch? freebsd-update(8) Cheers, Matthew ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
Quoth Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com: On 26 Nov 2012 08:12, Perry Hutchison per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: ... don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long ... It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. Once csup goes away, how will a base-only system update the sources, e.g. to follow a security branch? freebsd-update will update your sources for you. It would be convenient if, before csup disappears, the 'Sychronising your Source' section in the Handbook could be updated to contain instructions for updating *just the source* using freebsd-update. Even if this is as simple as 'Components src' it would be good to state that explicitly; it would also be useful to give a procedure for moving from a csupped tree to one which freebsd-update will be able to apply deltas to, if that's possible without redownloading the whole source tree. In general, it's not terribly clear to me what will happen if I run freebsd-update on a system I have built from source. How does it know where to start from when it downloads deltas: does it assume `uname -r` accurately reflects the exact current state of the system? What will happen if I patch my source and then run freebsd-update without reverting those changes: will it revert them for me, like csup did, will it make a mess, or will the update fail? It would also be better, IMHO, to change the language in that section to recommend freebsd-update for those running RELEASE branches, and reserve the svn recommendation for those tracking development branches. Ben ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 11/17/12 21:04, Kevin Oberman wrote: Looks like everything is back up again. Thanks for the good work. Yes, but don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long. I'm aware of this and I'm (adimttedly slowly) moving away from csup. The outage was the result of an intrusion into core FreeBSD systems. Please read the posting at http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html. Read that. It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. I notice that no response has confirmed whether it will be available for 9.1, probably because the security team is still evaluating the situation. Simply out of curiosity, I wonder why csup/cvsup/cvs are less secure than alternatives, say SVN. Why would this compromise be impossible without cvs? Any link on this? bye Thanks av. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 18 Nov 2012 09:49, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: On 11/17/12 21:04, Kevin Oberman wrote: Looks like everything is back up again. Thanks for the good work. Yes, but don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long. I'm aware of this and I'm (adimttedly slowly) moving away from csup. The outage was the result of an intrusion into core FreeBSD systems. Please read the posting at http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html. Read that. It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. I notice that no response has confirmed whether it will be available for 9.1, probably because the security team is still evaluating the situation. Simply out of curiosity, I wonder why csup/cvsup/cvs are less secure than alternatives, say SVN. Why would this compromise be impossible without cvs? Any link on this? Not impossible, but because of the way cvs mirrors are propagated any tampering is also synced. Subversion propagation only pulls commits, which is why it's faster and also tampering in the history is not propagated. Chris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 11/16/12 18:08, Eitan Adler wrote: There are known problems with the cluster at this time. The machines were recently moved, upgraded, and generally manipulated. We are working to fix this as fast as possible. Looks like everything is back up again. Thanks for the good work. bye av. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: On 11/16/12 18:08, Eitan Adler wrote: There are known problems with the cluster at this time. The machines were recently moved, upgraded, and generally manipulated. We are working to fix this as fast as possible. Looks like everything is back up again. Thanks for the good work. Yes, but don't bet that csup and cvs will be around long. The outage was the result of an intrusion into core FreeBSD systems. Please read the posting at http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html. It's really time to get away from CVS and I suspect it will be going away sooner than had been planned. I notice that no response has confirmed whether it will be available for 9.1, probably because the security team is still evaluating the situation. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
I haven't received updates to sources, ports or release for a few days. The process seems to work, no errors, but no updating. I seem to remember talk of no longer using csup but I could be confused. Thanks. results of named: 9.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE #320 r229960M: Sun Nov 11 05:04:45 CST 2012 Thanks , ed ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 16 November 2012 11:25, Edwin L. Culp W. edwinlc...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't received updates to sources, ports or release for a few days. The process seems to work, no errors, but no updating. There are known problems with the cluster at this time. The machines were recently moved, upgraded, and generally manipulated. We are working to fix this as fast as possible. -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confirm that csup is still usable fos the new 9.1
On 11/16/2012 05:25 PM, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: I haven't received updates to sources, ports or release for a few days. The process seems to work, no errors, but no updating. I seem to remember talk of no longer using csup but I could be confused. Thanks. results of named: 9.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE #320 r229960M: Sun Nov 11 05:04:45 CST 2012 Hi Ed, Uhm, no confirmation for the future I guess? I still had a couple of servers upgraded with csup to 9.1-RC3 using cvs tag RELENG_9_1. It seems that you have RELENG_9 which correspondents to 9-STABLE. This is still at 9.1-PRERELEASE and maybe there are no updates due to the focus on 9.1-RELEASE. I remember having read that cvs will not be available in the future for the new releases being RELENG_8_3 (8.3-RELEASE) and RELENG_9_1 (9.1-RELEASE) at the moment, but it will continue to be available for the STABLE and CURRENT. From the revision number in uname I guess you are using svn ? Or is this also available when using csup? This e-mail message, including any attachment(s), is intended solely for the addressee or addressees. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of OSE. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please return this e-mail message and the attachment(s) to the sender and delete and destroy all copies. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
