Re: ports security branch

2005-12-21 Thread rihad
Imagine: Foo 1.2.3 that was current at the time of FreeBSD 6.0 release gets a severe vuln after some time. Some admins upgrade to the latest and greatest Foo 1.2.9, others to Foo 1.2.7 (probably with not recently updated ports tree)... If 1.2.7 is secure, there is no problem. If 1.2.7 is not,

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth rihad on Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:25:59 +0400 Is there a security branch for the FreeBSD ports collection? Let's say, I installed FreeBSD 6.0 together with all needed -RELEASE ports/packages (i.e., those on the CD). Running security/portaudit after a while reveals that some of the

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread rihad
Yann Golanski wrote: Quoth rihad on Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:25:59 +0400 Is there a security branch for the FreeBSD ports collection? Let's say, I installed FreeBSD 6.0 together with all needed -RELEASE ports/packages (i.e., those on the CD). Running security/portaudit after a while reveals

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth rihad on Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 14:18:13 +0400 A very interesting script for its own purpose, but I'm afraid this doesn't answer my question at all. Perhaps seeing the way that e.g. Debian deals with the upgrade problem might shed some light on the issue. Hell, FreeBSD does exactly that

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 11:18, rihad wrote: Yann Golanski wrote: Quoth rihad on Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:25:59 +0400 Is there a security branch for the FreeBSD ports collection? Let's say, I installed FreeBSD 6.0 together with all needed -RELEASE ports/packages (i.e., those on the CD).

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Marwan Burelle
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:18:13PM +0400, rihad wrote: A very interesting script for its own purpose, but I'm afraid this doesn't answer my question at all. Perhaps seeing the way that e.g. Debian deals with the upgrade problem might shed some light on the issue. Hell, FreeBSD does exactly

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 11:49, Yann Golanski wrote: Quoth Melvyn Sopacua on Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:43:55 +0100 I had one that was safe to run in cron (in fact it ran in periodic/daily), but uses a cvs tree of ports, not cvsup to save time[1]. I lost it with a disk crash, but was going

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 12:03, Marwan Burelle wrote: Relying on the maintainer work is a good starting point, you may trust him for doing only the needed updates for those ports that requier security concerns. But even here, major updates of widely used libs imply rebuild of most of the

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Marwan Burelle
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 12:15:30PM +0100, Melvyn Sopacua wrote: On Tuesday 20 December 2005 12:03, Marwan Burelle wrote: Relying on the maintainer work is a good starting point, you may trust him for doing only the needed updates for those ports that requier security concerns. But even

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 12:39, Marwan Burelle wrote: The point is not that this is always true, but that you have to handle those kinds of problems if you want to maintain a security branch for ports. The point is, that it is irrelevant. Ports are independant of the base system. There is

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread rihad
Marwan Burelle wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:18:13PM +0400, rihad wrote: A very interesting script for its own purpose, but I'm afraid this doesn't answer my question at all. Perhaps seeing the way that e.g. Debian deals with the upgrade problem might shed some light on the issue. Hell,

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 13:26, rihad wrote: Imagine: Foo 1.2.3 that was current at the time of FreeBSD 6.0 release gets a severe vuln after some time. Some admins upgrade to the latest and greatest Foo 1.2.9, others to Foo 1.2.7 (probably with not recently updated ports tree)... If

Re: ports security branch

2005-12-20 Thread JoaoBR
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 10:26, rihad wrote: FreeBSD's latest and greatest attitude is very relevant for desktop users and such. I think it would be even better to make security-conscious server admins' lives even better. Put up a box, forget about it, do a major upgrade in a year.

ports security branch

2005-12-19 Thread rihad
Is there a security branch for the FreeBSD ports collection? Let's say, I installed FreeBSD 6.0 together with all needed -RELEASE ports/packages (i.e., those on the CD). Running security/portaudit after a while reveals that some of the installed packages have vulnerabilities. Am I on my own to go

RE: ports security branch

2005-12-19 Thread Rob MacGregor
On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:26 AM when we last met our heroes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Sorry if this is a bit OT. I've already asked this on freebsd-questions@ but they told me there's no such thing at all. And they were correct. The overhead of managing such a thing