Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-10 Thread Ken Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 15:19 -0600, Kevin Day wrote: [ Other points were not ignored, just nothing to really say about them other than Yes and/or Will try, etc. ] * More notice to hubs@ before the release notes are generated. The releases always come with a At the time of this writing, these

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-10 Thread Skip Ford
Ken Smith wrote: With the 7.0 release I tried giving just the URL of the primary site (ftp.freebsd.org) but that proved people don't just want easy - they're lazy. For the most part they just clicked on that and didn't look around for a mirror. Hence your observation about the difference in

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-10 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Patrick Lamaizière ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ruben van Staveren [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Though experimental, I'm greatly enjoying http://www.secnetix.de/olli/FreeBSD/svnews/?p=/stable/7 Nice. There is also http://freshbsd.org/ (really cool IMHO). Thanks; I write/run that. I'm

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-09 Thread Ruben van Staveren
On 9 Dec 2008, at 10:56, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: Sure, but show me how to go to http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/ and see commit log per branch or any other way to see what is going on in a branch. Fisheye gives you that in a really clear way and it costs nothing to add another option

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-09 Thread Aristedes Maniatis
On 09/12/2008, at 5:21 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: What do you mean as news source? Commits are inherently low level and it's difficult to see how a commit could be massaged into some sort of press release without a fair amount of meta information in the commit log. Well, I use this as a way of

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-09 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:16:57 +0100, Ruben van Staveren [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Sure, but show me how to go to http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/ and see commit log per branch or any other way to see what is going on in a branch. Fisheye gives you that in a really clear way and it

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-09 Thread Kevin Day
On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Ken Smith wrote: Bottom line is my communication skills suck and of the bazillion other things I could do with my time these sorts of housekeeping chores wind up at a low enough priority they don't get done. But as you and others have made clear the priority

visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread Aristedes Maniatis
I've resisted sending this email for a while since I really don't want to start a bikeshed nor a flame. However there comes a time to express my thoughts over the lack of visibility of the release process for FreeBSD 7.1. Here are the resources I am aware of: * release timeline [1

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread Ken Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:57 +1100, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: I've resisted sending this email for a while since I really don't want to start a bikeshed nor a flame. However there comes a time to express my thoughts over the lack of visibility of the release process for FreeBSD 7.1. Here

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2008-Dec-08 20:57:37 +1100, Aristedes Maniatis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * subversion. Without checking out the whole repository, it is a little hard to use this as a news source and emails to the commit list still look more like cvs than svn so it is a bit hard to see which branch commits

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread Ivan Voras
Ken Smith wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:57 +1100, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: I've resisted sending this email for a while since I really don't want to start a bikeshed nor a flame. However there comes a time to express my thoughts over the lack of visibility of the release process

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread bf
I'd also appreciate a little more frequent updating of the release schedule, maybe with some terse we're waiting on this ... notes, like there were for some past releases. I'd guess the amount of time involved in doing so would be modest. * subversion. Without checking out the whole repository,

Re: visibility of release process

2008-12-08 Thread Mark Linimon
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:57:37PM +1100, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: 3. Improvements to the bug tracker. Personally I'd love to see something like Jira used [4] with all the sophistication of workflow, release notes, voting for bugs, etc, etc. I have some notes for some prototyping ideas,