Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-23 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:20:18PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > I'd be willing to put up a thousand USD or possibly more depending on
> > what sort of work was being considered.  I suppose a better choice would
> > be for someone here to make a list of issues which the community feels
> > need attention, and put the pooled donations to whatever things had
> > highest priority -- or, if that isn't plausible, then to what interested
> > developers wanted to work on.
> 
> To the best of my understanding, that is basically what donating to the
> FreeBSD Foundation accomplishes, although it would be nice so see some more
> transparency in their decision making process.

As stated earlier in this thread, for tax reasons the Foundation can't
be in a position to "pass through" specific funds targeted to specific
projects.

IMHO there's plenty of room for experimenting with different ways to get
projects funded, especially for "small specific task xyz needed".  I can't
really one of the people to try to set up such things, since I want to be
one of the people taking advantage of it.

A good first task would be for someone (TM) to put up a web page for "tasks
that the community would be willing to fund", with a sign-up sheet for
volunteer donors, to gauge general interest in # of people who would be
willing to contribute to particular tasks.

mcl
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Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-22 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Jeremy Chadwick
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:49:46PM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote:
> > I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest
> > revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing
> > the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making
> > ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris)
> > for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune
> > 100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my
> > personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the
> > best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the
> > know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD
> > Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate
> > amount of money for such a thing?
>
> For what it's worth: count me in here, and not just with regards to
> zvol.  I'd be more than happy to donate money to a pool (pun intended)
> to get some of the ZFS-centric issues looked at / focused on, and
> possibly fixed.
>
> I'd be willing to put up a thousand USD or possibly more depending on
> what sort of work was being considered.  I suppose a better choice would
> be for someone here to make a list of issues which the community feels
> need attention, and put the pooled donations to whatever things had
> highest priority -- or, if that isn't plausible, then to what interested
> developers wanted to work on.
>
> --
> | Jeremy Chadwick   [email protected] |
> | Parodius Networking   http://www.parodius.com/ |
> | UNIX Systems Administrator  Mountain View, CA, USA |
> | Making life hard for others since 1977.  PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
>

To the best of my understanding, that is basically what donating to the
FreeBSD Foundation accomplishes, although it would be nice so see some more
transparency in their decision making process.

-- 
Adam Vande More
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Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:49:46PM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote:
> I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest
> revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing
> the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making
> ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris)
> for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune
> 100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my
> personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the
> best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the
> know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD
> Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate
> amount of money for such a thing?

For what it's worth: count me in here, and not just with regards to
zvol.  I'd be more than happy to donate money to a pool (pun intended)
to get some of the ZFS-centric issues looked at / focused on, and
possibly fixed.

I'd be willing to put up a thousand USD or possibly more depending on
what sort of work was being considered.  I suppose a better choice would
be for someone here to make a list of issues which the community feels
need attention, and put the pooled donations to whatever things had
highest priority -- or, if that isn't plausible, then to what interested
developers wanted to work on.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick   [email protected] |
| Parodius Networking   http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.  PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

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Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-22 Thread Matt Olander
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Ivan Voras  wrote:
> Dan Naumov wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest
>> revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing
>> the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making
>> ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris)
>> for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune
>> 100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my
>> personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the
>> best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the
>> know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD
>> Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate
>> amount of money for such a thing?
>
> Hi,
>
> This idea (bounties) appear approximately every 6 months and it appears
> there is no better way than contacting the developers directly. AFAIK all
> attempts to conglomerate such an effort have failed. One important
> conclusion is that it cannot go through the Foundation since they cannot
> accept targeted donations.

Awhile back, we built a simple app for posting bounties, getting devs
and sponsors on board, posting the committed code in a browser
viewable format, and then handle final payout upon completion.
iXsystems is more than willing to handle financial details and I would
gladly be the first to sponsor this project on the site.

http://www.sponsorbsd.org

We would need a team leader *cough* Ivan *cough* that could make sure
developing contributors are actually involved so that the final payoff
can be shared accordingly.

It's a cakephp app and I'm sure it needs a bit more polish but we
could do it on the fly and it shouldn't be to hard :)

Any cakephp or php devs interested in helping testing and launch, let
me know. I just haven't had much time to spend on launching it
although I still think it's a great idea. If somebody would like to
spearhead this effort, that would be great.

For companies wishing to sponsor non-community code, it also has the
option of hiding the community committed code.

best,
-matt
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Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-22 Thread Ivan Voras

Dan Naumov wrote:

Hello

I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest
revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing
the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making
ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris)
for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune
100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my
personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the
best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the
know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD
Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate
amount of money for such a thing?


Hi,

This idea (bounties) appear approximately every 6 months and it appears 
there is no better way than contacting the developers directly. AFAIK 
all attempts to conglomerate such an effort have failed. One important 
conclusion is that it cannot go through the Foundation since they cannot 
accept targeted donations.


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posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?

2010-01-22 Thread Dan Naumov
Hello

I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest
revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing
the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making
ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris)
for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune
100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my
personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the
best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the
know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD
Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate
amount of money for such a thing?

Thanks.

- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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