Re: Intermittent pauses copying from one usb drive to another

2011-02-05 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Saturday 05 February 2011 16:18:56 Donald Allen wrote:
 Does whoever is responsible for CAM/SCSI
 know about this and do you know if there are plans to fix it? What is the
 point of supporting USB devices (and we aren't talking about an odd-ball
 device here; these are USB disks), when the support is partially broken?

As far as I know there are no ongoing plans to fix this issue. Yes, we need to 
support the oddballs too, of course. Currently a lot of quirks have been 
pushed into the umass driver, but I guess that we need to add more quirks, and 
probably switch around from black-listing into white-listing, so that the 
quirks are turned on by default.

Thanks for your understanding!

--HPS
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Re: Intermittent pauses copying from one usb drive to another

2011-02-05 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:28:31 -0500
Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Hans Petter Selasky hsela...@c2i.netwrote:
 
  On Saturday 05 February 2011 16:18:56 Donald Allen wrote:
   Does whoever is responsible for CAM/SCSI
   know about this and do you know if there are plans to fix it? What is the
   point of supporting USB devices (and we aren't talking about an
  odd-ball
   device here; these are USB disks), when the support is partially
  broken?
 
  As far as I know there are no ongoing plans to fix this issue. Yes, we need
  to
  support the oddballs too, of course.
 
 
 Actually, I'm arguing that you (FreeBSD, not necessarily the USB layer) need
 to better support the *main-stream* devices better (I care much less about
 the outliers, because by definition, the quality of their support affects
 far fewer people). These Toshiba drives are vanilla stuff, used by many for
 backups

You will notice that not many other user are replying in this thread
(so far at least). The reason for that is (for me at least) that most
of the usb hard drives work with FreeBSD.
so I will argue that your Toshiba drives are oddballs, and are broken.
Just because there is a lot of them doesn't make them correct.

And as you have noted, vendors don't care to fix their broken devices,
as long as they can sell enough of them.

Such is life, I guess.
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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