Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On Mon, 26 May 2014 16:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Jeesh, two years ago. I remember looking it up at the time, and this appears to be the same card from Newegg: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158297 I actually have two of these (one under FBSD-11) since Julian pointed me at it and Conrad is fairly convenient for me (we both live in or close to Munich). Beware however. I had numerous cheap USB3 enclosures-with-disk fail to work with this card/the USB stack in FBSD. I ended up taking the drives out of the enclosures and using them in a docking station. I also have two Toshiba v63700-C 1TB 2.5 sealed external drives which just work with no fuss or muss. The problem seems to be more with the electronics in the enclosures than with the card itself. -- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On Tue, 27 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html I remember looking it up at the time, and this appears to be the same card from Newegg: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158297 Newegg looks similar to Conrad http://conrad.de/ce/de/product/973583/2-PORT-USB-30-PCI-EXPRESS-CONTROLLER ... It's not identical. The white paint of the silk screen on PCB ends with: Conrad.de : 8-00B MADE IN TAIWAN (no preceeding 1122 ) Newegg.com : 08-00D MADE IN TAIWAN (+ preceeding 1122 ) Electricaly I don't know. Those are likely date codes: 2011, week 22. And possibly 8-00B or -00D are board revisions. They may not be identical, but all the components are in the same place and I'd bet software will consider them the same thing. My posting http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Lists all numbers off top of chips, (it was very hard to read one chip, even with magnifying glass good light, I wouldnt want to try to read pcture on newegg web page, but people have my IC numbers for Conrad). The Startech USB chip is the same, a D720200F1. A much better picture of the Vantec version: http://www.expreview.com/9741-7.html Newegg does not have the Vantec any more, but they did: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815287007cm_re=ugt-pc302-_-15-287-007-_-Product Anyway, the eight-pin IC is an Atmel 25F512B, a 512K-bit flash ROM for firmware. It's possible there are firmware updates for these cards, but unlikely the vendors have them for end users. Newegg.com page has: With a built-in SATA power connector, each USB port can deliver up to 900mA of power That's too low, should be 1.0 Amp I believe for USB3 spec. http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/973583/ (english page BTW) clicks to http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/95-974999/973583-an-01-ml-2_PORT_USB_3_0_PCI_EXPRESS_C_de_en_fr_nl.pdf Page 2 says: each USB port of the plug-in card can deliver a current of up to 1.5A (SATA power unit must be connected to the plug-in card!), One engineer is honest, the other is optimistic. :) ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Test Results (was: Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?)
On 26 May 2014, at 12:46, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: My desktop#1 system contains this dual port USB 3.0 PCIe interface card that I've already mentioned (VIA LV800 chipset): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17Z-0002-2 My desktop#2 system contains this Anker 2-port USB 3.0 PCIe card: http://www.amazon.com/Anker%C2%AE-Uspeed-Express-20-pin-Connector/dp/B007SJGGAE/ref=pd_cp_pc_2/181-8193670-6916000 I have just now checked that, and the big chip on that has written on the top of the chip VL800-Q8, so apparentlty this also contained the VIA[tm] VL 800 chipset. So, this is the same USB3 controller I am using with success, the plot thickens :) My HTPC system contains whatever the heck kind of USB 3.0 controller Foxconn elected in include on the board for this system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119070 Your dmesg says it is a ASMedia ASM1042 USB 3.0 controller 1) On all three test systems, the current FreeBSD USB driver doesn't entirely like the Hitachi Touro Moble 500GB USB 3.0 drive. In each case, connecting this drive results in a set of error messages like the following: (probe0:umass-sim2:2:0:0): REPORT LUNS. CDB: a0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 (probe0:umass-sim2:2:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (probe0:umass-sim2:2:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (probe0:umass-sim2:2:0:0): SCSI sense: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (Invalid command operation code) (probe0:umass-sim2:2:0:0): Error 22, Unretryable error That last line is clearly incorrect, and at the very least needs to be rephrased. Speaking from personal experience, I can attest to the fact that there are no such things, in life or anywhere else, as an error that cannot be retried, ad infinitum. (And I have the scars to priove it!) You're reading too much into what the SCSI standard says, it wasn't written with human beings in mind ;) It just means there is no point retrying because it isn't a transient error (I believe). This is typically caused by devices which reject legal SCSI commands hence HPS's suggestion to add a quirk so the SCSI stack doesn't try sending that command to the device. Not sure on the rest of your stuff though, sorry. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Test Results (was: Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?)
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: My HTPC system contains whatever the heck kind of USB 3.0 controller Foxconn elected in include on the board for this system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119070 This article about USB 3.0 controllers from 2011 is interesting in general, but specifically because it talks about the USB controller integrated in some AMD chipsets: http://vr-zone.com/articles/usb-3-0-speed-tests-7-way-host-controllers-roundup/13358.html Hopefully the situation has improved since then. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On Mon, 26 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Jeesh, two years ago. I remember looking it up at the time, and this appears to be the same card from Newegg: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158297 ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1405261636170.85...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Jeesh, two years ago. I remember looking it up at the time, and this appears to be the same card from Newegg: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158297 So are you guys telling me that I just shoulda bought that one? I can see right off the bat why I didn't. It looks like even now it still costs about twice as much as the ones that I did actually buy. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On Mon, 26 May 2014, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1405261636170.85...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2014, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this Yes it works. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 I filed a success report: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2012-June/011283.html Jeesh, two years ago. I remember looking it up at the time, and this appears to be the same card from Newegg: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158297 So are you guys telling me that I just shoulda bought that one? I can see right off the bat why I didn't. It looks like even now it still costs about twice as much as the ones that I did actually buy. The Startech stuff is usually overpriced. That card and others with the same chipset are all probably based on the same reference design. Vantec is more reasonable, and if you watch for sales, can be much less. Mine included a SATA power female to Molex adapter, a rare adapter that is handy for newer machines with only SATA cables and worth a bit on its own. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
I have more than a little reason to be suspicious of the motheboard in my #2 desktop system, so I swapped the USB 3.0 PCIe add-in cards that I had here between my two system and then re-ran all of my tests. So now you can find all my test results in these five files: ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop1+anker-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop1+hootoo-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop2+anker-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop2+hootoo-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/htpc-varlogmessages.txt Predictably, perhaps, the problems did in fact follow the (older, and apparently not so great) Anker[tm] brand controller card, and _did not_ seem at all to depend on the motherboard. I learned one other thing also. As I mentioned earlier, the Anker card (which I purchased over a year ago) apparently contains a VL800-Q8. On the other hand I've now looked closely at the HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe card that I just purchased recently, and it sports a VL805-Q6. Based on the dates of the following press reports, the VL800 is indeed a much earlier (and, I am guessing, buggier) incarnation of the VL805: (VL800 - May 26, 2010) http://www.legitreviews.com/via-labs-vl800-usb-3-0-4-port-host-controller-announced_8134 (VL805 - November 22nd 2012) http://www.techpowerup.com/175936/via-labs-announces-two-new-usb-3-0-host-controllers-via-vl805-and-via-vl806.html So I guess it serves me right for trying to use an old card with an old version of FreeBSD. But then again, even a really very fresh version of FreeBSD doesn't seem to like the old card. But then again, perhaps that silicon was just plain BUGGY. Certainly the fact that it seems to disconnect and then reconnect an unrelated device when I plug in my Patriot Gaultlet2 would tend to support that view. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 25 May 2014, at 12:36, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: I'll take pictures of them on Monday. http://imgur.com/a/N8Dto The non-working one uses an EtronTech EJ188H The working one uses a VLI VL800 (I think, my photo was pretty hard to read) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 26 May 2014, at 11:59, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 12:36, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote: I'll take pictures of them on Monday. http://imgur.com/a/N8Dto The non-working one uses an EtronTech EJ188H The working one uses a VLI VL800 (I think, my photo was pretty hard to read) FWIW the Etron is pretty poorly regarded (many threads about crashes and so on). Searching Linux shows.. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb?id=ded737fe6a2fe5d18005e6e97e40e0d728a6619b https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/host?id=001fd3826f4c736ce292315782d015f768399080 https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/host?id=5cb7df2b2d3afee7638b3ef23a5bcb89c6f07bd9 Although I am not sure either are relevant to the symptoms I see. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Test Results (was: Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?)
As a result of Warren Block's suggestion, I decided to try a number of new and additional tests in order to try to further pin down and/or at least document the current set of USB 3.0 problems I've been grappling with. I have also gathered further information about which chips, specifically are contained within my various devices and controllers. I do hope that all of the following information will prove useful. I am fortunate to have here three (3) different (amd) x86-based systems which each contain a dual USB 3.0 interface card of one kind or another. I am also fortunate to also have several different kinds of USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 external devices that I can run tests with. First, in order to make sure that I am reporting _current_ issues relating tro USB support, today I downloaded the following image file and installed this onto a USB 2.0 stick I had lying around (i.e. a SanDisk Switch 8GB): FreeBSD-10.0-STABLE-amd64-20140506-r265408-memstick.img All test results reported below are from systems that were booted to the above FreeBSD image. The results I gathered are all in the form of copies of /var/log/messages files. (At first I was going to provide just output from dmesg(8), but then I noticed that those don't have date/time stamps, so I went back and re-did all of my tests and collected the /var/log/messags files instead.) The following files show the results of the numerous tests I did on the three different system I own that contain USB 3.0 interfaces: ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop1-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/desktop2-varlogmessages.txt ftp://ftp.tristatelogic.com/pub/fbsd-usb3/htcp-varlogmessages.txt Please note that during my tests every time I performed some manual action, in particular plugging or unplugging a USD device, I used the logger(1) program to write a line starting with to the system log (/var/log/messages). This helps a lot to see what was really (physically) going on at each step during the tests. My desktop#1 system contains this dual port USB 3.0 PCIe interface card that I've already mentioned (VIA LV800 chipset): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17Z-0002-2 My desktop#2 system contains this Anker 2-port USB 3.0 PCIe card: http://www.amazon.com/Anker%C2%AE-Uspeed-Express-20-pin-Connector/dp/B007SJGGAE/ref=pd_cp_pc_2/181-8193670-6916000 I have just now checked that, and the big chip on that has written on the top of the chip VL800-Q8, so apparentlty this also contained the VIA[tm] VL 800 chipset. My HTPC system contains whatever the heck kind of USB 3.0 controller Foxconn elected in include on the board for this system: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119070 For my tests, I used the following 4 external devices, which I list here (and which I tested) in what I believed might be incresing levels of probable non-working-ness: SanDisk Cruzer Blade 1.20 # USB 2.0 device http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Frustration-Free-Packaging-SDCZ50-004G-AFFP/dp/B007KFAG8O ADATA USB Flash Drive 1.00 # USB 3.0 device http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211572 http://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Superior-Series-Flash-AS102P-16G-RGY/dp/B005Y8C0H4 HitachiG ST # USB 3.0 device http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145582 http://www.amazon.com/HGST-Touro-Mobile-External-HTOLMX3NA5001ABB/dp/B0062FZ3PY Hitachi HTS541010A9E680 JA0O # USB 3.0 device http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817826002 http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-PCGTII25S-Gauntlet-2/dp/B006ICNRUO Please note that the HitachiG ST device is a PERMANENTLY SEALED unit, so there is no way for me to find out what sort of interface chip is inside that. What I am listing here as Hitachi HTS541010A9E680 JA0O is actually a rather ordinary 2.5 1TB laptop drive which I have installed inside of a Patroit[tm] brand Gauntlet 2 external 2.5 USB 3.0 enclosure. (See links above for pictures and more technical information.) In the case of the Patriot[tm] Gauntlet2 2.5 USB 3.0 enclosure (aka Hitachi HTS541010A9E680 JA0O) I took the time to actually disassemble that so that I could look and see what sort of chip was in it. Written on the chip that is inside the Gauntlet2 is a set of three designators, the first of which is GL3310. Googling that plus up lots of relevant information. As a boot device on all 3 test systems I also used a USB 2.0 flash stick which is identified within the system logs as SanDisk Cruzer Switch 1.26. That was pulgged into a USB 2.0 port on all three test systems during boot up. My test procedure for all three systems was as follows: 1) Insert the SanDisk Cruzer Blade (USB 2.0) into one of the two USB 3.0 ports. 2) Insert the ADATA USB Flash Drive into the second USB 3.0 port and
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 05/24/14 20:43, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: I onw a 1TB HGST laptop drive. This has been installed into a Patroit[tm] brand Gauntlet II external USB 3.0 enclosure. This drive has had all built-in diagnostics run on it, and it is perfectly A-OK. It works compltely fine with no problems on multiple Linux systems I have here. The motherboard on my main FreeBSD system is an ASRock N68C-GC FX, and to that I have added one of these add-on USB 3.0 cards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17Z-0002-2 Unfortunately, the drive is not working at all with this system or this card. When the device is plugged into one of the USB 3.0 ports I get these messages in /var/log/messages: May 23 22:45:04 segfault kernel: xhci_do_command: Command timeout! May 23 22:45:04 segfault kernel: usb_alloc_device: device init 3 failed (USB_ERR_TIMEOUT, ignored) May 23 22:45:04 segfault kernel: ugen2.3: Unknown at usbus2 (disconnected) May 23 22:45:04 segfault kernel: uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new device No other messages appear in the log, and quite obviously, the drive is utterly inaccessible to FreeBSD. This is extraoordinarily annoying, as I spend good money to buy this add-in USB 3.0 card in the hopes that it would solve the problems that I previously had with FreeBSD and a different USB 3.0 card, and now it is all useless. Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? P.S. I know that FreeBSD doesn't have nearly as many people working on it as Linux does, but I didn't really expect it to be quite this far behind in terms of driver support for USB 3.0. I mean how long has USB 3.0 been out now? Five+ years?? Hi, What version of FreeBSD are you running. Have you tried -stable? Yes, USB 3.0 _works_ with FreeBSD. --HPS ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 25 May 2014, at 4:13, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: This is extraoordinarily annoying, as I spend good money to buy this add-in USB 3.0 card in the hopes that it would solve the problems that I previously had with FreeBSD and a different USB 3.0 card, and now it is all useless. Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? I have 2 USB3 cards, one works and one doesn't, unfortunately I haven't been able to determine why as yet. P.S. I know that FreeBSD doesn't have nearly as many people working on it as Linux does, but I didn't really expect it to be quite this far behind in terms of driver support for USB 3.0. I mean how long has USB 3.0 been out now? Five+ years?? This isn't a helpful thing to say when you're using a volunteer project. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
In message 5380eb10.9030...@selasky.org, Hans Petter Selasky h...@selasky.org wrote: On 05/24/14 20:43, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? What version of FreeBSD are you running. 9.1-RELEASE Have you tried -stable? No, I have not. I did also try 10.0-RELEASE (LiveCD) and also again got a bunch of errors and the system refused to see the drive again. I tried that (10.0-RELEASE) with multiple different motherboard and multiple different USB 3.0 add-in PCIe controller cards. All tests failed, all of the time, with both systems. Yes, USB 3.0 _works_ with FreeBSD. Please can you be more specific? What host controller chipsets are supported, exactly? Please post the list. And specifically, is the VIA VL800 chipset supported? What controllers and what external USB 3.0 devices have you yourself actually _successfully_ tested, and which version of FreeBSD exactly did you use for those tests? I'm sorry if I seem to be aseking too many detailed questions about this, but I've previously also tried using external USB 3.0 hard drives attached to a totally different system, also running FreeBSD, with a different motherboard *and* a totally different USB 3.0 card in it and that experiment also ended in tears and utter failure. I really would like to know what specific USB 3.0 hardware was properly tested and qualified as working and fully supported *before* 10.0-RELEASE went out the door. Was there any? Or did USB 3.0 support only begin working properly post 10.0-RELEASE? P.S. To be clear, I am interested in finding out if FreeBSD actually has any support for any kind of *rotating* USB 3.0-attached external storage. Right at the moment, I don't really care if USB 3.0 flash sticks work. (Those are quite obviously going to be easier to make work.) P.P.S. Not all of use have the luxury of being able to run -STABLE. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
In message 8021b607-b94b-4a2d-8b0a-a63a88094...@gsoft.com.au, you wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 4:13, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com = wrote: This is extraoordinarily annoying, as I spend good money to buy this add-in USB 3.0 card in the hopes that it would solve the problems that I previously had with FreeBSD and a different USB 3.0 card, and now it is all useless. =20 Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? =20 Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? I have 2 USB3 cards, one works and one doesn't, unfortunately I haven't been able to determine why as yet. What is the brand and model number of the one that works? What is the brand and model number of the one that doesn't? It would be helpful to know in both cases. Also, for the one that works, are you able to connect a device to that, disconnect it and then reconnect it again and have it work after that? (I had trouble with this in the past with my other 3.0 card, even when only using external 2.0 devices, if I am recalling correctly.) P.S. I know that FreeBSD doesn't have nearly as many people working on it as Linux does, but I didn't really expect it to be quite this far behind in terms of driver support for USB 3.0. I mean how long has USB 3.0 been out now? Five+ years?? This isn't a helpful thing to say when you're using a volunteer project. Sorry. Having invested in two different USB 3.0 PCIe cards and a couple of external 3.0 enclosures... all of which I had some hope would work, by now, on FreeBSD... and all of which *do* in fact work entirely well on Linux, I do hope that perhaps my level of frustration is understandable. There are about a thousand or so different ethernet chipsets, so I can well and truly understand why this or that ethernet controller isn't supported yet. But how many different USB chipsets are there? Maybe like ten, total, including both 3.0 and 2.0? And aren't all of these different USB chipsets *supposed* to present one standard programatic interface (to the driver) anyway? Anyway, ignoring the investment in MONEY I've already made... for naught, apparently... I've also invested at least a little time in trying to make this stuff work, and in keeping with the volunteer nature of FreeBSD I *am* willing to try to assist in further testing and debugging, e.g. of the USB drivers in, e.g. 10.0-STABLE if only someone will instruct me how how to install that, from scratch, on a fresh empty drive. I seriously do not know how to do this. I've been using FreeBSD for well over ten+ years and I've always and only used -RELEASE. The -RELEASE CDs are obviously quite helpful and make installation so simple that a cave man could do it. But at this moment I am sitting here looking at this directory: /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/10.0-STABLE on one of the FreeBSD mirrors, and I haven't the vaguest idea what to do with that stuff in order to get it all installed onto an empty drive. If you or someone else tells me how to do that, then I will be happy to do so and then see if either of these 3.0 cards I have will work with that, and if not I'll try to help debug the problem(s). ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On Sat, 24 May 2014, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Sorry, no idea. Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? I used this card along with a USB 3 drive dock to copy a fair amount of data: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815287015 Admittedly, I'm a bit skeptical about USB 3 given how long USB 2 took to mature in the industry as a whole. If possible, I'd prefer SATA/eSATA or Ethernet for transferring large amounts of data. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1405242010430.97...@wonkity.com, you wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2014, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Sorry, no idea. Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? I used this card along with a USB 3 drive dock to copy a fair amount of data: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815287015 Thanks Warren! (I wish I had consulted with you two weeks ago before purchasing the 2+2 port HooToo card.) Admittedly, I'm a bit skeptical about USB 3 given how long USB 2 took to mature in the industry as a whole. As I've been saying, it all seems to work just fine on Linux. If possible, I'd prefer SATA/eSATA or Ethernet for transferring large amounts of data. Unfortunately, the HTPC I have in the livingroom doesn't have an eSATA port. (And there are no slots for any add-in cards or even space to put an eSATA socket/connector.) It does however have two (2) USB 3.0 built-in ports. P.S. Somebody on www.newegg.com said that that Vantec card contains a Renesas D720200A chipset. So I guess we can check that one off as supported. Wish I had known that the VIA VL800 isn't. ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 25 May 2014, at 11:34, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: I have 2 USB3 cards, one works and one doesn't, unfortunately I haven't been able to determine why as yet. What is the brand and model number of the one that works? What is the brand and model number of the one that doesn't? It would be helpful to know in both cases. They're both generic OEM ones unfortunately so the amount of useful information on them is pretty small. They show up as.. xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x34321106 chip=0x34321106 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 xhci1@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x70521b6f chip=0x70521b6f rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 xhci0: XHCI (generic) USB 3.0 controller mem 0xfbeff000-0xfbef irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 xhci0: 32 byte context size. usbus1 on xhci0 xhci1: XHCI (generic) USB 3.0 controller mem 0xfbcf8000-0xfbcf irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci5 xhci1: 64 byte context size. usbus2 on xhci1 xhci0 works, xhci1 doesn't. I'll take pictures of them on Monday. Also, for the one that works, are you able to connect a device to that, disconnect it and then reconnect it again and have it work after that? (I had trouble with this in the past with my other 3.0 card, even when only using external 2.0 devices, if I am recalling correctly.) Yes, that works for me. This isn't a helpful thing to say when you're using a volunteer project. Sorry. Having invested in two different USB 3.0 PCIe cards and a couple of external 3.0 enclosures... all of which I had some hope would work, by now, on FreeBSD... and all of which *do* in fact work entirely well on Linux, I do hope that perhaps my level of frustration is understandable. There are about a thousand or so different ethernet chipsets, so I can well and truly understand why this or that ethernet controller isn't supported yet. But how many different USB chipsets are there? Maybe like ten, total, including both 3.0 and 2.0? And aren't all of these different USB chipsets *supposed* to present one standard programatic interface (to the driver) anyway? Sure they are, but lots of corners are cut - none of the manufacturers test on FreeBSD, you'd be lucky if they tested on Linux. The upshot is that if it works on Windows then it is considered fine. That pushes the burden onto FreeBSD developers to work out what the differences are and work around them. You can also bet most hardware manufacturers aren't going to help either. You'll note that on the page you posted it says you must install the special VIA driver for the card to work - that seems to be a tacit admission that the hardware doesn't behave as it should hence the standard driver doesn't work. Anyway, ignoring the investment in MONEY I've already made... for naught, Luckily USB3 PCI cards are pretty cheap. FWIW this is almost exactly the situation USB2 was in - there were many chipsets which did not work very well at the start so for high performance applications like SDR (eg using Ettus USRPs) you had to be very choosy about which ones to use otherwise it wouldn't work. /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/10.0-STABLE on one of the FreeBSD mirrors, and I haven't the vaguest idea what to do with that stuff in order to get it all installed onto an empty drive. If you or someone else tells me how to do that, then I will be happy to do so and then see if either of these 3.0 cards I have will work with that, and if not I'll try to help debug the problem(s). You want an ISO from http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/11.0/ or http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/10.0/ although to be honest I don't believe the USB stack is substantially different between stable and head so there's probably not much point. You could try gathering some debugging using usbdump and sysctl hw.usb.uhub.debug=15 (although deciphering it requires knowledge of how USB works and how the stack is written..) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Do _any_ USB 3.0 cards actually work?
On 05/25/14 03:34, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message 5380eb10.9030...@selasky.org, Hans Petter Selasky h...@selasky.org wrote: On 05/24/14 20:43, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Does FreeBSD support the VIA VL800 Chipset that this add-on card is alleged to contain? Does FreeBSD *ever* work with *any* USB 3.0 equipment? Or is this just a far off dream? What version of FreeBSD are you running. 9.1-RELEASE Hi Ronald, You should checkout the kernel sources and build and install a 9-stable kernel and try first. The TIMEOUT issue during device enumeration is one of those issues which has had patches: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/dev/usb/controller/xhci.c?view=log Have you tried -stable? No, I have not. I did also try 10.0-RELEASE (LiveCD) and also again got a bunch of errors and the system refused to see the drive again. I tried that (10.0-RELEASE) with multiple different motherboard and multiple different USB 3.0 add-in PCIe controller cards. All tests failed, all of the time, with both systems. Can you read out the CHIP numbers for these devices? Yes, USB 3.0 _works_ with FreeBSD. Please can you be more specific? What host controller chipsets are supported, exactly? Please post the list. Various chipsets from Intel, Nec, Renesas, TI, Asmedia are tested and supported. And specifically, is the VIA VL800 chipset supported? You need to read-out the exact chip number on the board. Possibly yes, after you upgrade to -stable. I really would like to know what specific USB 3.0 hardware was properly tested and qualified as working and fully supported *before* 10.0-RELEASE went out the door. See list above. Was there any? Or did USB 3.0 support only begin working properly post 10.0-RELEASE? USB 3.0 support started in 9.x. What you refer to as begin working properly, are enumeration problems. The big difference between EHCI and XHCI, is that certain commands like the initial SET address is now a high-level command, and some controllers don't provide an ACK on that message, leaving you with a TIMEOUT stalling the command queue on the host controller: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=264294 P.P.S. Not all of use have the luxury of being able to run -STABLE. There are some live images of more recent version of FreeBSD which you can try out there, from xxx.freebsd.org --HPS ___ freebsd-usb@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-usb-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
