[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #8, bug #18773 (project freeciv): Looking at this further: there's currently a feature where, on the turn you come out of revolution, you can change government freely during the same turn -- it's not locked in, requiring a new period of anarchy to change, until the turn change (update_revolution() setting revolution_finished=-1). So you can set an initial target of Democracy when going into revolution, keep that for most of the end-of-revolution turn (unbribable units), then at the last minute change to Communism to get its benefits. This applies whether or not you have Statue of Liberty. Without it, you only get to do this for one turn per revolution, so it's minor. However, if you have SoL, you could do this every turn, so this needs plugging too to fix the exploit. Anyone object to removing this behaviour altogether? That way, as soon as you've chosen a non-Anarchy government at the end of a revolution, that's it -- you'd need another revolution to change again. (But you'd still be able to change target midway through a revolution.) ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #9, bug #18773 (project freeciv): This feature is discussed at length in PR#2327 http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=2327, where it was discussed and then deliberately added. However, the unbribable-units effect wasn't mentioned in that discussion. (PR#10151 http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=10151 is also relevant.) ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #6, bug #18773 (project freeciv): Looking at this, I want to apply the same sort of logic to the senate's prevention of unprovoked pact breaking. Right now, if you have the Statue of Liberty and try to break pact when you have a senate, it lets it through anyway (The senate refuses to break treaty with the Eastasians, but you have no trouble finding a new senate.) If that remains, I think it allows at least a partial variant of this exploit -- it's a get-out-of-Democracy-free card (assuming you can find someone to repeatedly make and break treaties with). However, this behaviour is triggered off Any_Government, not No_Anarchy (both of which attach to the Statue of Liberty). This looks wrong; I think it should come with No_Anarchy, since I think the feature is for consistency with the other aspects of that effect (no point having a senate blocking things if you can get round it by changing government with no cost). Anyone object to me changing that? It wouldn't change the behaviour of any of the supplied rulesets, as they always use these two effects together. -- jtn ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #7, bug #18773 (project freeciv): Hm, actually, I'm wrong about that senate behaviour allowing an exploit like this, as it doesn't allow you to actually change government. Perhaps I don't need to do a complicated thing here. My question about the effects stands, though. (I'll raise a new ticket if no objections.) -- jtn ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #3, bug #18773 (project freeciv): An alternative possibility: the Statue of Liberty could do away with Anarchy, but revolution could be prevented for the length of time that they would have been in Anarchy. I don't really understand. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #4, bug #18773 (project freeciv): What I mean is: say revolen is set to 2. Normally, when you change government, you'd get two turns of Anarchy. With Statue of Liberty, you'd get your new government immediately -- but you wouldn't be able to initiate another revolution for another 2 turns. With revolen=0, you'd get the standard 1-5 turns of lockout. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #5, bug #18773 (project freeciv): Great, this sounds good to me as well. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
URL: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 Summary: statue of liberty hack Project: Freeciv Submitted by: akfaew Submitted on: Sun Oct 2 07:10:18 2011 Category: None Severity: 3 - Normal Priority: 5 - Normal Status: None Assigned to: None Originator Email: Open/Closed: Open Release: Discussion Lock: Any Operating System: None Planned Release: ___ Details: There is a hack players use with statue of liberty: be in democracy during the turn, switch to communism a second before TC. That way you have all the benefits of communism while having unbribable cities. Now that we use small wonders, this will be even more unbarable. I propose a fix: you can switch govt not more often than once every 2 turns. What do you think? This would require a dedicated variable in struct player for this wonder only. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #1, bug #18773 (project freeciv): Fun exploit. I propose a fix: you can switch govt not more often than once every 2 turns. Why 2 turns specifically? Did you choose it so that disorder in their cities have a chance to cause a revolution under Democracy? (Not that they care if they're going to be dithering their government anyway.) An alternative possibility: the Statue of Liberty could do away with Anarchy, but revolution could be prevented for the length of time that they would have been in Anarchy. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] [bug #18773] statue of liberty hack
Follow-up Comment #2, bug #18773 (project freeciv): An alternative possibility: the Statue of Liberty could do away with Anarchy, but revolution could be prevented for the length of time that they would have been in Anarchy. That sounds good to me. ___ Reply to this item at: http://gna.org/bugs/?18773 ___ Message sent via/by Gna! http://gna.org/ ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
