[Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
A lot of my friends have one or more Raspberry Pi machines, and I even got one myself too. But no-one I know nearby own a Dreamplug. This tell me that the availability of the Debian based Freedombox reference platform is low, and I believe this limit the number of people joining the project. A

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2013-10-10 at 11:26:49 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: One unsolved issue might be the need for non-free firmware, but I am not sure if any such firmware is needed for the use cases we have in the Freedombox. The raspberry-pi requires non-free software for booting: it is simply

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Keith
This is also possible 1 TP - home server and internet router using PPPOE On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 11:26 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: 2 TP - home server and internet router ___ Freedombox-discuss mailing list

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:26:49AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: A lot of my friends have one or more Raspberry Pi machines, and I even got one myself too. But no-one I know nearby own a Dreamplug. This tell me that the availability of the Debian based Freedombox reference platform is

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Eugen Leitl] A successor the the very popular PCEngines ALIX http://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm system is in the works: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm That would seem to be another potential hardware target. The point I am trying to make is that we should focus on hardware available

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Eugen Leitl (2013-10-10 12:58:48) On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:26:49AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: A lot of my friends have one or more Raspberry Pi machines, and I even got one myself too. But no-one I know nearby own a Dreamplug. This tell me that the availability of the

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:06:14PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: The point I am trying to make is that we should focus on hardware available already with a lot of users. The fact that there is other The Raspberry is a nice device, but it looks a bit anaemic in terms of hardware specs. It

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Anders Jackson
Hello. Den 10 okt 2013 13:33 skrev Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:06:14PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: The point I am trying to make is that we should focus on hardware available already with a lot of users. The fact that there is other The Raspberry is a

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jonas Smedegaard] Listed at https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware#Unsuitable It sure is. What was the reason you added dropped Raspberry Pi from the wiki 2013-08-13 21:35:37 and added it back under the Unsuitable heading 2013-08-18 00:04:41? Was there some mailing list

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Anders, Quoting Anders Jackson (2013-10-10 13:53:56) Den 10 okt 2013 13:33 skrev Eugen Leitl [1]eu...@leitl.org: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:06:14PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: hardware around (or soon to be available) that is nicher and more powerful and less dependend on non-free

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Anders Jackson] But do we need to even talk hardware this much? If done right, as long we have Debian running on a machine should we be able to run Freedombox on it. And Rasbian should be enough Debian to run Freedombox, without (large) software problems. I bring it up because I have

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (2013-10-10 14:08:09) [Jonas Smedegaard] Listed at https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware#Unsuitable It sure is. What was the reason you added dropped Raspberry Pi from the wiki 2013-08-13 21:35:37 and added it back under the Unsuitable heading

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jonas Smedegaard] Uhm - in what way is the reason not obvious from the resulting wiki page and the commit messages for those changes? The reasoning seem to be based on assumtion that are non-obvious to me. The first part Requires non-free blob to boot seem quite similar to any PC with a

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Which mesh system should be included in the Freedombox?

2013-10-10 Thread Sandy Harris
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote: After looking a bit into the mesh options, ... * Which mesh system should be included in Freedombox? * What are the options and their features? * What should be use to decide which one to pick? As I see it, security has to be the first

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Nicolás Reynolds
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes: Main problem, considering it as *reference* platform, is the non-free blobs needed to boot. Also a problem if using unofficial packages. iirc they were going to put the blobs in a rom chip, but i can't find the announcement right now. --

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Tim Retout
On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 11:26 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: A way to tap into the resource of people already owning an Raspberry Pi and interested in taking back control over their own computer use and communication needs, would be to announce that Raspberry Pi will also be a reference

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Tor

2013-10-10 Thread Tim Retout
On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 11:04 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: So to me, it seem like routing all traffic through Tor bring the advantage of making it harder to track your location while changing the set of people that can perform MITM attack on you. It is not like using Tor for everything is

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Add Raspberry Pi as a reference platform?

2013-10-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tim Retout (2013-10-10 23:31:24) Now, I have always heard Bdale talk about the Debian-based Freedombox as a reference implementation, implying to me that other groups would build different compatible Freedombox software implementations (e.g. Freedombox on Fedora, which afaik doesn't