Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-17 Thread Paul Dufresne via Freedos-devel
I have taken a short look at: (gnuchess source for showing board) http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/chess.git/tree/src/frontend/output.cc and did not have "the feeling" it was using ANSI anymore. But then according to:

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-17 Thread tom ehlert
>> there is absolutely no need to waste memory for everybody just because >> someone might try GNUCHESS. > Why doesn't a program, that uses ansi.sys (or an equivalent), check for > its presence?! :-) I found INT 2Fh, AX=1A00h for this purpose. because it uses escape sequences, not ANSI. ANSI

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-17 Thread Joe Forster/STA
Hi guys, there is absolutely no need to waste memory for everybody just because someone might try GNUCHESS. Why doesn't a program, that uses ansi.sys (or an equivalent), check for its presence?! :-) I found INT 2Fh, AX=1A00h for this purpose. Joe -- KOVÁCS Balázs aka Joe Forster/STA;

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-17 Thread tom ehlert
> But again, avoid all those hassles by always loading > NANSI. That is a lot better than BANNING ALL apps > which use ANSI "because they could confuse users"! > ANSI even is a standard part of MS DOS. It is "base"! as we haven't seen complains about escape sequences on the screen for a LONG

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel
On Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 at 8:18 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: > ... > >> [..] >> >> Sorry but that thread about which games may or may >> >> not work is frustrating me given that there always >> >> seems to be SOME context in which some games fail. > > Ending up with weird graphics

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Eric Auer wrote: > > > If you really worry about people getting confused by GNUCHESS, but > > really refuse to load NANSI by default, you could simply provide a batch > > file to first load NANSI, then GNUCHESS and bundle that batch file with > > GNUCHESS. You can even

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
(This was sent to me off-list, but it belongs with the rest of the discussion, so I am replying to the list) On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 6:39 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > > Jim, > > >>> I know a lot of FreeDOS users > >>> are using VirtualBox. > > >> Why, actually? > > > Probably because it's free and

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 6:03 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > > Not saying we don't include it, just that the palette > > is off in VirtualBox. > > You do not solve bugs in VirtualBox by telling users > that they may only play the three games where you do > not notice that VirtualBox is broken. Just make

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Eric Auer wrote: If you really worry about people getting confused by GNUCHESS, but really refuse to load NANSI by default, you could simply provide a batch file to first load NANSI, then GNUCHESS and bundle that batch file with GNUCHESS. You can even make that batch file

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, >>> * GNU Chess (a chess game) doesn't seem to work for me. When I >>> ran GNUCHESS.EXE I got a bunch of ANSI esc codes printed... >> >> Then you probably have to load NANSI. Easy solution, no? ;-) Actually NANSI also makes your console output FASTER in DOS in general, so we should

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, >> PAKU PAKU By Jason M. Knight, Paladin Systems North. >> Version 1.6 - 9 November, 2011 >> >> Halted: Graphics Sound Timer - Releasing Memory - Complete >> This game is released as "Cardware". If you enjoy it please send a postcard >> to: It says IF you ENJOY it then PLEASE send a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 5:10 PM Steve Nickolas wrote: > > Here's the problem, as I see it. > > A lot of people misuse the terms "open source" and "public domain". They > say "open source" when they mean source-available (it may not be open, if > it is not as I describe "freedom-compliant"), and

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:59 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > * has issues: > > gnu chess > > Kraptor > > Liquiwar > > magnetic > > mirror magic To be clear, the "has issues" are not "license issues." These are games that I had "issues" with while trying them on VirtualBox. See below that some work fine

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Steve Nickolas
Here's the problem, as I see it. A lot of people misuse the terms "open source" and "public domain". They say "open source" when they mean source-available (it may not be open, if it is not as I describe "freedom-compliant"), and they say "public domain" when they mean freeware. When I say

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:27 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi! > > I think given that Paku Paku sources are public domain, > there is no problem with the author asking to send a > postcard if you like it. You are free to not send a > postcard, after all. Making a new release without the >

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, > * has issues: > gnu chess > Kraptor > Liquiwar > magnetic > mirror magic > * remove: (license issues)> pakupaku [see suggestion] If possible, solve the license issue (I think there is none, see my other mail) and keep it. It is a good example for 160x100 text graphics and thereby a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! I think given that Paku Paku sources are public domain, there is no problem with the author asking to send a postcard if you like it. You are free to not send a postcard, after all. Making a new release without the "restriction" that the author mentions being glad about feedback seems

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Jim, > * Beyond the Titanic (text adventure game) says in the startup screen: > >>Please note that Beyond the Titanic is a SHAREWARE game. >> >>This game has been placed in the public domain for your enjoyment. > > ..and then it has some text about if you like the game, you should >

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Carsten Strotmann
Hi Jim, On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:01, Jim Hall wrote: > Instead of PakuPaku, what about some other "PacMan"-like game instead? > For example, there's Double PacMan, at > https://breadbingames.itch.io/double-pacman > (source code at https://github.com/moonorongo/doublePalman .. GNU GPL > in the 'src'

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Jim, > So I think we should drop Magenetic for the same reasons. Agree? Agreed. Cheers, Robert -- +++ BTTR Software +++ Home page: https://www.bttr-software.de/ DOS ain't dead: https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/ ___

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 2:16 PM Carsten Strotmann wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:01, Jim Hall wrote: > > > * Magnetic says in the startup that it is an interpreter for Magnetic > > Scrolls games. but there aren't any Magnetic Scrolls games installed > > with it, so I can't play

Re: [Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Carsten Strotmann
Hi Jim, On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:01, Jim Hall wrote: > * Magnetic says in the startup that it is an interpreter for Magnetic > Scrolls games. but there aren't any Magnetic Scrolls games installed > with it, so I can't play anything with it. GNU GPL, but the game > doesn't seem useful without any

[Freedos-devel] Additional notes on Games

2021-06-16 Thread Jim Hall
I tried some of the other games on FreeDOS 1.3 RC4, using VirtualBox on Linux. Starting point was VBoxVGA unless otherwise noted. Short version: * runs fine: empong ewsnake fmines ivan (?) mistral nethack noudar qtetris sudoku86 vertigo (?) vitetris zmiy * has issues: gnu chess Kraptor