Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-30 Thread TK Chia
Hello Steve Nickolas, I've had ideas for bootstrapping a DOS using a separate IPL - and in fact FreeDOS did do this at one point.  This way, I'd be able to keep basic drivers out of the main kernel, enhancing portability - which wouldn't be a big deal with PC-compatibles, since the basic driver

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-30 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/30/2020 7:29 AM, Robert Riebisch wrote: the question was about 'any "official" format', like in a standard, not if that can be done at all. When creating "a (new|first) standard", it's probably a good idea to look at existing solutions. Well, this all looks to me like looking for a so

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-30 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Tom, >>> Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under >>> MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DOS had... >>> what, exactly? In all my years DOSsing I've never heard of anything >>> official like this, so I'm pretty sure there was no such thing

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-30 Thread tom ehlert
>> Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under >> MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DOS had... >> what, exactly? In all my years DOSsing I've never heard of anything >> official like this, so I'm pretty sure there was no such thing (unless >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-30 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Mercury, > Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under > MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DOS had... > what, exactly? In all my years DOSsing I've never heard of anything > official like this, so I'm pretty sure there was no such thing (unl

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Mercury, > Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under > MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DOS had... > what, exactly? In all my years DOSsing I've never heard of anything > official like this, so I'm pretty sure there was no such thing (unl

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel wrote: On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:44 AM, Steve Nickolas usots...@buric.co wrote: ... I've had ideas for what I'd do if I were writing my own OS or my own DOS clone... but they'd probably be too weird for this list. ... But I, for

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:44 AM, Steve Nickolas usots...@buric.co wrote: > ... > I've had ideas for what I'd do if I were writing my own OS or my own DOS > clone... but they'd probably be too weird for this list. > ... But I, for one, would love to hear those ideas.___

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, DosWorld via Freedos-devel wrote: Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under MS-DOS? ... Any constructive feedback would be appreciated! :D Here is no any standard. I can purpose few way: Experimental library format in msa2 -  https://github.co

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread DosWorld via Freedos-devel
> Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under > MS-DOS? > ... > Any constructive feedback would be appreciated! :D > Here is no any standard. I can purpose few way: Experimental library format in msa2 -  https://github.com/DosWorld/msa2/tree/master/original/examples/O

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-29 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel
First, thanks to all who replied! Good stuff. :) Also: On Monday, December 28, 2020 5:02 PM, Danilo Pecher danilo.pec...@data-experts.biz wrote: > Well, one could also question the point of shared libraries in a system that > doesn't support multitasking. > ... It's not so much a matter of mu

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread Danilo Pecher
Well, one could also question the point of shared libraries in a system that doesn't support multitasking. Dynamic loading has a point in so far as to load binaries based on the availability of hardware, as in the BGI drivers. Having the code to support all gfx cards in the exe would be wasteful,

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 17:06 schrieben Sie: > On 12/28/2020 2:39 AM, tom ehlert wrote: >> Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, >> >> am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 10:59 schrieben Sie: >> >>> On 12/27/2020 10:54 PM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel wrote: Hey, all! Just

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/28/2020 2:39 AM, tom ehlert wrote: Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 10:59 schrieben Sie: On 12/27/2020 10:54 PM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel wrote: Hey, all! Just a question I've never seen addressed here - or anywhere else, for that matter. Was there ever

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread Danilo Pecher
IIRC there was never something like a standard DLL concept, but we used to use flat binaries for that concept. Back in 1994 or something, a friend of mine and I wrote something akin to fractint and we defined a 'fractal driver' for each type. What it basically boiled down to was typedef'ing a funct

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint, am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 10:59 schrieben Sie: > On 12/27/2020 10:54 PM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel wrote: >> Hey, all! Just a question I've never seen addressed here - or anywhere >> else, for that matter. >> >> Was there ever any "official" format for a sha

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-28 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/27/2020 10:54 PM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel wrote: Hey, all! Just a question I've never seen addressed here - or anywhere else, for that matter. Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DO

[Freedos-devel] DOS runtime library format

2020-12-27 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel
Hey, all! Just a question I've never seen addressed here - or anywhere else, for that matter. Was there ever any "official" format for a shared runtime library under MS-DOS? Windows has .DLL files, Linux has .KO files, and MS-DOS had... what, exactly? In all my years DOSsing I've never heard of