Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-12 Thread Christian Imhorst
Hi all, 2015-01-02 15:15 GMT+01:00 Jim Hall : > I haven't tried putting the FreeDOS 1.1 installer on a USB fob drive, but it > would probably work if the ISO image was written using liveusb-creator. > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ > > I use this to every time I upgrade Linux on my lapt

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-12 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > >>> PS: Dropping the image mount sub-topic again, pending Rugxulo's reply. >> >> I'm not sure exactly what you want here. I don't know of any (obvious) > > The question (in another thread) was if there was a disk image backed > mountable driv

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Rugxulo, >> That would be a good compromise - basically BASE is "a similar set >> of tools as you would get with plain MS DOS", which only takes a >> few megabytes in pre-unzipped "live" style. The rest, which easily >> takes more than 100 MB even in zipped, CAN still "go live" together >> wit

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-09 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > That would be a good compromise - basically BASE is "a similar set > of tools as you would get with plain MS DOS", which only takes a > few megabytes in pre-unzipped "live" style. The rest, which easily > takes more than 100 MB even in zipp

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, Harold / Mercury, > Elsewhere in the discussion, I think we talked about unzipping the > packages. I'm not sure what the "live" part of the ISO would be, but maybe > that only needs to boot up the BASE packages (it doesn't make sense to have > DEVEL on the "live" part, for example). > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-08 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Okay, I'll note that. BASE gets added to the .ZIP as well as copied as an actual folder structure in the ISO. I recall someone mentioning that they wanted to put a few finishing touches on their software before 1.2 gets released. Maybe we should establish a freeze date before which all pending upd

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Hall
More specifically, the "live" part would be pre-loaded with the packages from BASE. It wouldn't unzip the packages at boot-time. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > So, the installer will automatically extract BASE from the .ZIP of > packages to a RAM disk when booting liv

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-08 Thread Mercury Thirteen
So, the installer will automatically extract BASE from the .ZIP of packages to a RAM disk when booting live? Will this affect how I structure things on the .ISO? On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > Let's keep this discussion on the mailing list. > > Elsewhere in the discussion, I t

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2 - iso sizes and diskimage mounts

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Hall
Let's keep this discussion on the mailing list. Elsewhere in the discussion, I think we talked about unzipping the packages. I'm not sure what the "live" part of the ISO would be, but maybe that only needs to boot up the BASE packages (it doesn't make sense to have DEVEL on the "live" part, for ex

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Hall
> > [...] > > My thoughts for the simpler installation process: > > > > 1. *Boot the FreeDOS Install CDROM.* This is basically a "live" FreeDOS, > > which happens to boot into an automated install process. > > Or install USB stick, of course! On most systems, you > could unzip all packages into a r

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, Harold / Mercury13, FreeDOSers, > Harold (AKA Mercury Thirteen) and I have been discussing creating a FreeDOS > 1.2 distribution. He's volunteered to put together the new distribution. I > thought we should share that with freedos-devel to see if anyone else wants > to help with this! Go

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-04 Thread Jim Hall
I thought to try something new with the updated installer. Rather than have one big program that does everything, why not create a few simple tools that can be used in an INSTALL.BAT to install FreeDOS? Enhanced Batch File tools already exist, I suppose, but I wanted free software tools. And of cou

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-02 Thread Jim Hall
I haven't tried putting the FreeDOS 1.1 installer on a USB fob drive, but it would probably work if the ISO image was written using liveusb-creator. https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ I use this to every time I upgrade Linux on my laptop, because my laptop doesn't have a CDROM drive. It's g

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-02 Thread Christian Imhorst
Hi all, I agree with Tom M. I would like to have a better installer, too. If I could use this installer to install FreeDOS 1.2 from USB stick instead of floppy and/or CD that would be really great. :-) Best regards and thank you very much Christian Thomas Mueller schrieb am Do., 1. Jan. 2015 13

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2015-01-01 Thread Thomas Mueller
One thing I'd like to see in the next FreeDOS is a better installer. Installer should be writable to a USB stick or be bootable and runnable from a disk image; there is a rather outdated FreeDOS runnable quasi-floppy image on the System Rescue CD, though this image has no installer. I would lik

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Jim, will your installer still need the .LSM files?If so, do you need them > for each .EXE or just for each package? > > The LSM needs to be present (it goes in APPINFO, I think) but the new installer doesn't read LSM files. It just reads

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Jim, will your installer still need the .LSM files?If so, do you need them for each .EXE or just for each package? -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mateusz Viste
On 12/31/2014 08:17 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: > As much as I like my 16 bit machines, I'm open to making mTCP 32 bit > friendly. That would be great! When it happens, I will be happy to port my DOS networking software to mTCP (that is, the "FDNPKG" package manager and my gopher client "Gopheru

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Ulrich Hansen
As the old year is passing and you mention FDNPKG I would like to point to my website at https://www.lazybrowndog.net/freedos/virtualbox2/ I worked on the website in September but wasn't able to polish it as much as I hoped for. I would like to add another image for networking with ms client.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread sparky4
i made a custom version of fdpkg that simply updates the directory creating mechanics of it i wish it has mtcp support >< so we can have a 16 bit answer to fdnpkg -- View this message in context: http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/Working-on-FreeDOS-1-2-tp21507p21524.html Sent from the FreeD

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Aha, and here I thought I was being original lol The version of FreeDOS I use for development is a premade image with VirtualBox networking already set up. It doesn't include your software, so I guess its existence slipped my mind. Sorry about that. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Mateusz Viste

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
So far as a tutorial, I'm afraid nothing jumps to mind. However, in my tests I found that the DOS4GW extender which ships with Watcom is the fastest. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Michael Brutman
As much as I like my 16 bit machines, I'm open to making mTCP 32 bit friendly. The code is very careful with data types - I never use "int" when the number of bits matters. The trouble spots are going to be the IP checksum routine which is hand-optimized assembly, my time of day code which looks

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
> Dunfield & Potthast already have PCI bus/NIC sniffers [0][1] and a > collections of NIC packet drivers as well Georg has some useful stuff there, but the bus scanner isn't (currently, at least) open source software and couldn't be included in FreeDOS. ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mateusz Viste
On 12/31/2014 08:02 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Another thing we could do, in the same vein as the suggestions by Matej, > would be to make an "app store" of sorts which would function as a > package manager. When run, this program would search the user's hard > drive to see what components are i

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Another thing we could do, in the same vein as the suggestions by Matej, would be to make an "app store" of sorts which would function as a package manager. When run, this program would search the user's hard drive to see what components are installed, determine their version and see if there is an

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Michael Brutman
FDNPKG: I can help you with the changes to FDNPKG to allow it to compile under Open Watcom and to use mTCP. I would certainly like to see more people using mTCP to build their applications. However, is moving to mTCP going to improve FDNPKG enough to make it worth the effort? (That is just some

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Louis Santillan
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Matej Horvat wrote: [SNIP] > I agree that a better installer is needed (the one in 1.1 seemed to be > slow and generated broken AUTOEXEC.BAT files for non-US(?) keyboard > layouts). I think we should adapt FDNPKG so it can be compiled with Open > Watcom and use mTC

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mateusz Viste
Hi all, The latest Slovene translations of everything are available here (with many other translations): http://freedoslocal.sourceforge.net/ I appeal to anyone having any translation updates to send them to me, so I will add them there. I can also provide svn rights to whoever would like to

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Mercury Thirteen
I was actually working on a feature like this for my GUI so that it could automatically load drivers, which does a simple scan of the PCI bus and reports the devices it finds. There is already a list of PCI device IDs available at pcidatabase.com, which may be useful to us. I could extract my PCI s

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Jim Hall
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Matej Horvat wrote: > (...) > And finally, it would be nice if my Slovene translations (not 100% > complete yet though) could be included in the distribution. :) > > Hi Matej It's usually best to send translations of program strings (i.e. KITTEN or CATS) to the p

Re: [Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Matej Horvat
I agree that a better installer is needed (the one in 1.1 seemed to be slow and generated broken AUTOEXEC.BAT files for non-US(?) keyboard layouts). I think we should adapt FDNPKG so it can be compiled with Open Watcom and use mTCP so it can be 8086-compatible. After installation, it could

[Freedos-devel] Working on FreeDOS 1.2

2014-12-31 Thread Jim Hall
Harold (AKA Mercury Thirteen) and I have been discussing creating a FreeDOS 1.2 distribution. He's volunteered to put together the new distribution. I thought we should share that with freedos-devel to see if anyone else wants to help with this! FreeDOS 1.2 is planned to be a refresh to FreeDOS 1.