Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-09-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
yOn Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Jim Michaels wrote: I can tell you that the packet drivers I was directed to, crynwyr, are SO OLD.  no development has been done on DOS packet drivers since then, apparently.  solution?  get the drivers from realtek (the email I sent to this list earlier), and get a cheap et

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-09-05 Thread Jim Michaels
.  voila.   DOS packet drivers are available from NIC manufacturers. > >From: dos386 >To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:11 AM >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual >env

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-17 Thread dos386
> Why should we have to tell DOS users that only a certain and > small subset of all virtual environments can do FreeDOS? Alternatively, tell them to install it on a PC ;-) > Using as many different emulators/virtualisers as possible among > developers/testers might show issues earlier Would Fre

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-10 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 10-8-2011 9:08, Eduardo Casino schreef: > http://sites.google.com/site/chitchatvmback/ ah so that's where Ken Kato went with his site, was already missing that for a while to read up about all those commandline utilities he had.

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-10 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Eduardo, >> Even VMWare has open source mouse and X drivers around: >> >> www.vmware.com/resources/opensource/projects.html#c53533 >> >> vmmouse.c is "only" 1350 lines, the graphics driver has >> circa 250 kilobytes of sources in their 11.0.3 version... > There is also an unofficial implement

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-10 Thread Eduardo Casino
2011/8/10 Eric Auer : > Even VMWare has open source mouse and X drivers around: > > www.vmware.com/resources/opensource/projects.html#c53533 > > vmmouse.c is "only" 1350 lines, the graphics driver has > circa 250 kilobytes of sources in their 11.0.3 version, > you can download the sources as zip/tg

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Mike, > Ultimately we're going to need to have DOS device drivers that know how > to interact with the various VMs... Only for two reasons: - the simulated hardware of the VM is "broken" so that normal drivers for the corresponding real hardware after which the simulation was modelled w

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-09 Thread Michael B. Brutman
In a not so long ago job assignment I spent a little time learning the innards of KVM, qemu, and virtualization technology in general. The virtualization environments are going to do a good job running your instructions on real hardware. All modern hardware has support for doing this, sometim

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-09 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 9-8-2011 20:30, Ralf A. Quint schreef: > But a VM is not (real) "hardware"! > And if a certain VM doesn't support to emulate hardware in a way that > (Free)DOS runs without an issue, I seriously fail to see how FreeDOS > can possibly do anything about it. There's been a few examples already of

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-08-09 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 10:33 AM 8/9/2011, Eric Auer wrote: >Hi Bernd, Jeremy, > >different virtual PCs seem to have different issues, but >they are all useable and I am quite sure that users run >Linux and Windows inside them without real problems. Why >should we have to tell DOS users that only a certain and >small