Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024, Volkert via Freedos-devel wrote: Also, muefircate (and its predecessor BiEFIrcate) have been mentioned in threads in freedos-devel before, but there hasn't been much engagement on it. That's really unfortunate, since this project seems

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
Although your concern is valid, it's a separate one. Being able to run FreeDOS on such newer system is useful, even if such a system would no longer have full IBM PC compatibility. Even historically, MS-DOS was designed to run on 8088/8086 systems that were not necessarily fully compatible with t

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 at 13:59, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel wrote: > You mention (in a part of the message I snipped) the plan Intel had to > remove legacy support from their AMD64 CPUs Now abandoned, as of last week. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-terminates-x86s-init

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel
The trouble with new baremetal machines goes beyond just UEFI or lack of CSM. You would perhaps be able to run freedos, but couldn't use most of the hardware. The only real metal that I can haveTCP acces for instance is a 17 year old laptop. I have yet to see any network or sound drivers for recent

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 2:58 PM Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel < freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > You mention (in a part of the message I snipped) the plan Intel had to > remove legacy support from their AMD64 CPUs - and indeed, Intel has been > slowly pushing for the removal of leg

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 3:10 PM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel < freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 at 13:59, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel > wrote: > > > You mention (in a part of the message I snipped) the plan Intel had to > > remove legacy support from their A

Re: [Freedos-devel] muefircate: a plan for a BIOS loader for UEFI

2024-12-23 Thread Volkert via Freedos-devel
Thanks for bringing this project up in this mailing list, Liam. It's unfortunate that there haven't been any replies to your post so far. Also, muefircate (and its predecessor BiEFIrcate) have been mentioned in threads in freedos-devel before, but there hasn