Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[Deposite Pirate via Freedos-devel]

On 11/2/23 17:01, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel wrote:

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Deposite Pirate via Freedos-devel wrote:

You should read again what he said. A 286 running a DOS doesn't need 
"maintained drivers". If fdxms286 works on a 286, there is no reason 
it's not going to work or in a lesser way now. DOS is not Linux/BSD.


People forget that it's possible for a program to be "mature" to the 
point that, at most, all it might need is the occasional bugfix.  Not 
every program needs to be under constant maintenance.


(Not directed at you)

-uso.


In this case it's also that the programming interface is pretty basic 
and set in stone. There is no constant code churn that could change 
something a driver depends on and make it fail. In Linux/BSD you can 
have very mature drivers too. But since they are constantly changing 
things in the kernel, there is a need for regular maintenance to adapt 
the code to underlying changes.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[sparky4 insano via Freedos-devel]

i think i may of found a bug?
there is stability issues with Wolfenstien 3D (specifically running the
demo for random amounts of time) with this XMS driver.
it will crash and lock up the entire pc.

with love,
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On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 3:16 PM sparky4 insano 
wrote:

> fancy!
> with love,
> sparky4
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>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 11:26 PM Bret Johnson via Freedos-devel <
> freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, Microsoft's HIMEM.SYS is compatible with 286 CPUs (and also with
>> 386+).  There's also an EMM286.EXE floating around that provides EMS for
>> 286-class CPUs, but I don't think MS had anything to do with it.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[sparky4 insano via Freedos-devel]

fancy!
with love,
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 11:26 PM Bret Johnson via Freedos-devel <
freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> FWIW, Microsoft's HIMEM.SYS is compatible with 286 CPUs (and also with
> 386+).  There's also an EMM286.EXE floating around that provides EMS for
> 286-class CPUs, but I don't think MS had anything to do with it.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

[Rugxulo via Freedos-devel]

Hi,

Gmail caught one with its Spam filter. It doesn't show any prior
emails from this person.

author: th...@yamashita1921.com
subject: Re: [Freedos-user] TASM under an emulator?
link: urdirec.com


On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 11:07 AM Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel
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>
> ...as did I. Mine was as follows.
> 
> From: webmas...@propstei-marien.de
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Logger v0.3-BETA
> Content:
> Hi There,
> Please look into the the document in the web-link down the page.
> LINK BUTTON
> Enjoy a good afternoon!
> 


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

[Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-devel]

...as did I. Mine was as follows.

From: webmas...@propstei-marien.de
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Logger v0.3-BETA
Content:
Hi There,
Please look into the the document in the web-link down the page.
LINK BUTTON
Enjoy a good afternoon!


Where "LINK BUTTON" links to a page in the https://bone-shed.net/ domain. It 
seems it was sent as a reply to a message I posted to the mailing list myself, 
which is likely how it's getting past the spam filters of my email provider.

Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email.

On Thursday, November 2nd, 2023 at 7:27 AM, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel 
freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Harald Arnesen via Freedos-devel wrote:
>
>> Jim Hall via Freedos-devel [02/11/2023 11.12]:
>>
>>> So now phishers are pretending to be FreeDOS emails. That's pretty
>>> targeted phishing (aka "spear phishing" where attackers customize the
>>> email to be very specific to the recipient).
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing. I haven't seen this, but I'll watch for it now.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, 4:39 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel
>>> >> mailto:freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I only wanted to tell you that I had a "FreeDOS" phishing attack
>>> yesterday.
>>
>> I got one as well. Same subject and link.
>
> I got one from an Argentinian address - figured it was a hack rather than
> a phish, but with the same idea.
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Deposite Pirate via Freedos-devel wrote:

You should read again what he said. A 286 running a DOS doesn't need 
"maintained drivers". If fdxms286 works on a 286, there is no reason it's not 
going to work or in a lesser way now. DOS is not Linux/BSD.


People forget that it's possible for a program to be "mature" to the point 
that, at most, all it might need is the occasional bugfix.  Not every 
program needs to be under constant maintenance.


(Not directed at you)

-uso.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[Deposite Pirate via Freedos-devel]

On 11/2/23 03:28, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel wrote:

Sorry, Tom, but this reply is, to use a technical term, pretty shit.
We're talking about FreeDOS, a system that by design was created for
hardware that would lose to our phones these days. If you 'only want
to support 386+' then you can just as well install Dosbox. Either
FreeDOS has the ambition to be what it says on the tin - a Freeware
DOS replacement - in which case it should support all hardware that
the original MS-DOS supported, including pre-386 hardware, or you can
just as well bin the original premise. All in all I think your reply
needlessly confrontational.



You should read again what he said. A 286 running a DOS doesn't need 
"maintained drivers". If fdxms286 works on a 286, there is no reason 
it's not going to work or in a lesser way now. DOS is not Linux/BSD.



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Re: [Freedos-devel] i have a tech question about 286 and XMS

[tom ehlert via Freedos-devel]

sorry,

but my reply related to fdxms, not himem.exe.
and then you have an xms driver for 286

am Donnerstag, 2. November 2023 um 03:28 schrieben Sie:

> Sorry, Tom, but this reply is, to use a technical term, pretty shit.
> We're talking about FreeDOS, a system that by design was created for
> hardware that would lose to our phones these days. If you 'only want
> to support 386+' then you can just as well install Dosbox. Either
> FreeDOS has the ambition to be what it says on the tin - a Freeware
> DOS replacement - in which case it should support all hardware that
> the original MS-DOS supported, including pre-386 hardware, or you can
> just as well bin the original premise. All in all I think your reply
> needlessly confrontational.

> Cheers, Hippo.

> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 23:13, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> > is there any supported XMS driver for 286 that FreeDOS provides? himemx
>> > dose not support it and the fd286xms driver is old and not supported.
>>
>> why do you think that software for 30+ years old hardware needs to be 
>> 'supported'.
>> it's the same as last year, and 20 years before.
>> And will work for the next few hundred  years as well.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

[Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023, Harald Arnesen via Freedos-devel wrote:


Jim Hall via Freedos-devel [02/11/2023 11.12]:

So now phishers are pretending to be FreeDOS emails. That's pretty 
targeted phishing (aka "spear phishing" where attackers customize the 
email to be very specific to the recipient).


Thanks for sharing. I haven't seen this, but I'll watch for it now.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, 4:39 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel 
> wrote:


Hi all,
I only wanted to tell you that I had a "FreeDOS" phishing attack
yesterday.


I got one as well. Same subject and link.



I got one from an Argentinian address - figured it was a hack rather than 
a phish, but with the same idea.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

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Jim Hall via Freedos-devel [02/11/2023 11.12]:

So now phishers are pretending to be FreeDOS emails. That's pretty 
targeted phishing (aka "spear phishing" where attackers customize the 
email to be very specific to the recipient).


Thanks for sharing. I haven't seen this, but I'll watch for it now.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, 4:39 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel 
> wrote:


Hi all,
I only wanted to tell you that I had a "FreeDOS" phishing attack
yesterday.


I got one as well. Same subject and link.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

[Jim Hall via Freedos-devel]

So now phishers are pretending to be FreeDOS emails. That's pretty targeted
phishing (aka "spear phishing" where attackers customize the email to be
very specific to the recipient).

Thanks for sharing. I haven't seen this, but I'll watch for it now.


On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, 4:39 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel <
freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I only wanted to tell you that I had a "FreeDOS" phishing attack yesterday.
>
> The mail I got arrived at my n...@mnet-online.de account, with subject:
>
> *Re: [Freedos-devel] mode.com *
> sender:* m...@planet.com.pk *
> Text:
>
> *Hi There,*
> *Please see the documentation contained in the url followed below.*
>
> *Hyperlink: ONE WAY LINK*
>
> *Enjoy a great daytime!*
>
> *__*
> *Freedos-devel mailing list*
> *Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *
>
>
>
>
> The ONE WAY LINK leads to:
> h ttps://theorganicgardeners.co ./...  (rest not written for security
> reasons)
>
> *Please do not click on this link!*
>
> *After clicking on the link nothing seemed to happen, but I assume that a
> download started.*
>
>
>
> Just for info.
> As I still work on the latest help I was not really astonished about this
> mail although mode.com is already done.
> I hope I could stop the download early enough on my Android phone.
> The virus scanner on phone found nothing. Lets see...
>
>
> Would be nice to hear if somebody else got this mail too.
> Interesting thing is that I usually get mails from the USERS forum and
> some other FD programmers and people that I know on this account only.
> In case that you get strange mails from me, please inform me via this mail
> account.
>
> Thanks
>
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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Phishing attack - warning!

[Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel]

Hi all,

I only wanted to tell you that I had a "FreeDOS" phishing attack yesterday.

 

The mail I got arrived at my n...@mnet-online.de account, with subject:

 

Re: [Freedos-devel] mode.com

sender: m...@planet.com.pk

Text:

 

Hi There,

Please see the documentation contained in the url followed below.

 

Hyperlink: ONE WAY LINK

 

Enjoy a great daytime!

 

__

Freedos-devel mailing list

Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

 

 

 

 

The ONE WAY LINK leads to:

h ttps://theorganicgardeners.co ./...  (rest not written for security reasons)

 

Please do not click on this link!

 

After clicking on the link nothing seemed to happen, but I assume that a download started.

 

 

 

Just for info.

As I still work on the latest help I was not really astonished about this mail although mode.com is already done.

I hope I could stop the download early enough on my Android phone.

The virus scanner on phone found nothing. Lets see...

 

 

Would be nice to hear if somebody else got this mail too.

Interesting thing is that I usually get mails from the USERS forum and some other FD programmers and people that I know on this account only.

In case that you get strange mails from me, please inform me via this mail account.

 

Thanks

 

W. Spiegl / Fritz Mueller

 

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