Re: [Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

2024-02-18 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-devel 


Hi Willi,

I will wait some days to see if there are other questions or proposals 
referring to NewDOS and then send André Olejko a list with everything at 
one time in german...


He explicitly asked to NOT be bothered with such things. So I suggest
that we just collect the questions and proposals ourselves and then,
if necessary, get some publicity to find volunteers to implement them.

Because I know ONE person who will NOT be among those volunteers ;-)

Or maybe people simply enjoy the fact that they can manually READ the
sources for those tools which already were available as freeware binary.

Maybe there is no need whatsoever to change or compile anything, yet?

One of my questions will be if the source code of asm86 can/will be 
published.


That has VERY low priority. Plenty of FreeDOS apps need closed source
or even non-free compilers. If anybody ever has an issue with that for
NewDOS, we can still go the NoMySo way and (semi-automatically) port
the sources to any free and open assembler and C compiler out there.

If the author makes Asm86 open source at some point, fine, but I would
recommend to not even ask for that right now. Maybe not even this YEAR.

Another important detail: No matter which compilers you use, you cannot
compile NewDOS out of the box right now! You will first have to take a
deep breath, THINK which toolchain you need, configure it properly and
come up with a nice build script or makefile. NONE of those is included
in the sources, which were released AS-IS, rough and raw, but valuable.

So before you ask for a license change to the assembler, let us FIRST
see who and WHEN will undertake re-compiling this nice software. Either
for the challenge or because they MAY have specific ideas for patches.

All of this will take TIME. Not just some days. More likely months.

Please compare this to the situation in 2020 when Steve and TK felt
like taking the challenge to make it possible to actually COMPILE the
GW BASIC sources released in what it turned out to be incomplete AS-IS
state by Microsoft. Nobody would have asked Microsoft to FIRST make
all involved compilers open source at that time. And nobody has asked
Microsoft to publish the missing source code snippets.

Because the situation was pretty much the same as now: The authors
had looked into their archives, FOUND a mostly complete copy of the
sources and said: We have this code GIFT, you MIGHT enjoy it, but we
cannot and will not help you if it is not good enough for you! ;-)

I personally think that André Olejko did a great job, one single man 
created "a half OS"!


I totally agree that this is a cool collection of tools and it is
great that the author made it free first and even open source now!

We cannot and should not expect anything else. Thanks for the ZIPs!

Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

2024-02-18 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel 
Hi Willi,

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 9:38 AM, Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
>  
> I forgot to mention that there is another great new thing: NewDOS and its 
> source code is free since 2024-02-06!
> NewDOS itself is freeware since 2018.
>  
> You can grab it here: https://www.newdos.de/home/download.htm 
> 
>  
> NewDOS from André Olejko is no complete OS but a collection of more than 60 
> DOS commands and 3 games!
>  
> See: https://www.newdos.de/home/befehle.htm 
> 
>  
> There is a free assembler asm86 available from André Olejko, but the source 
> code has not been published till now.
> I am not sure if he will publish it at all.
>  
> See: https://assembler86.de/home/download.htm 
> 
>  
> And now the bad news:
> NewDOS and the assembler are in GERMAN only. It should be possible to 
> translate it to english, but this will be a lot of work.
>  
> André informed me that he is NOT willing to give any feedback or to answer 
> questions about his work.
> He thinks that it is very good to keep his work alive for the future, but he 
> does no longer program.
> So PLEASE DO NOT SEND MAILS ETC to him.
>  
> @Jim: Would it be possible to keep a copy ad ibiblio or anywhere else?
>  
> THX.
>  
> Willi
> 

They are small sites. So, I also mirrored them on my server as well.

They can be found along with the mirror of Eric’s website at https://m.lod.bz 


:-)

Jerome

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Re: [Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

2024-02-17 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-devel 
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 8:39 AM Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel
 wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I forgot to mention that there is another great new thing: NewDOS and its 
> source code is free since 2024-02-06!
> NewDOS itself is freeware since 2018.
>
> You can grab it here: https://www.newdos.de/home/download.htm
>
[...]
> @Jim: Would it be possible to keep a copy ad ibiblio or anywhere else?
>


Sure thing. We've mirrored a few other DOS projects when they went
offline. For example, before GNUish went offline, they reached out to
me to ask if I'd mirror GNUish at Ibilbio. And I did. Since NewDOS is
GNU GPL, I'm comfortable mirroring the last copy at Ibiblio.

As with GNUish, I mirrored this outside the standard "FreeDOS Files"
area. You can find it here:

https://ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/mirrors/www.newdos.de/




*By the way, GNUish was mirrored here:
https://ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/mirrors/gnuish/

..although the "gnuish" location is really a Unix symlink to here:
https://ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/mirrors/ftp.sunet.se/pub/simtelnet/gnu/gnuish/


*And: If anyone here is already linking to GNUish from another
website, FYI that I just now created the 'mirrors' subdirectory, to
keep things organized on Ibiblio. If you have a website that links to
the GNUish mirror, you should change your link from
https://ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/gnuish/
..to
https://ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/mirrors/gnuish/


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[Freedos-devel] NewDOS source code has been published!

2024-02-17 Thread Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel 
Hi Jim,

 

I forgot to mention that there is another great new thing: NewDOS and its source code is free since 2024-02-06!

NewDOS itself is freeware since 2018.


 

You can grab it here: https://www.newdos.de/home/download.htm

 

NewDOS from André Olejko is no complete OS but a collection of more than 60 DOS commands and 3 games!

 

See: https://www.newdos.de/home/befehle.htm

 

There is a free assembler asm86 available from André Olejko, but the source code has not been published till now.

I am not sure if he will publish it at all.

 

See: https://assembler86.de/home/download.htm

 

And now the bad news:

NewDOS and the assembler are in GERMAN only. It should be possible to translate it to english, but this will be a lot of work.

 

André informed me that he is NOT willing to give any feedback or to answer questions about his work.

He thinks that it is very good to keep his work alive for the future, but he does no longer program.

So PLEASE DO NOT SEND MAILS ETC to him.

 

@Jim: Would it be possible to keep a copy ad ibiblio or anywhere else?

 

THX.

 

Willi

 

 

 

 



Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:20 AM
From: "Jim Hall via Freedos-devel" 
To: "freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
Cc: "Jim Hall" 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Xcopy 1.5



Answering my own question on this:
 

I don't know that anyone was aware of an updated version of Xcopy (1.5). So this was just missed. 

 

I think we should include Xcopy 1.5 in the next test release, T2403.

 

 
*We're all volunteers, if you see a new version of a program and no one is talking about it, share that news on the email list.

 

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 11:14 PM Jim Hall  wrote:



I noticed over on the BTTR forum, Fritz asked this question about Xcopy 1.5. But freedos-devel is really the best place to discuss FreeDOS distribution topics, so I wanted to start a thread here to make sure the question was asked in the right place:

 

Fritz asked:

 

>>>
[...]
version 1.5
---
- improved Open Watcom support (utilizes pieces from TCC2WAT), shared.inc


In xcopy.txt you can read:

Compiling the source code
-
Compiling the source code is possible with the following compilers:
- Borland C++ (tm) 3.0 or higher
- Borland Turbo C++ (tm) 3.0 or higher
Version 1.2 and newer can also be compiled with the now freeware
- Borland Turbo C 2.01 compiler :-)
Version 1.5 and newer
- Open Watcom C/C++ 1.9/2.0pre (includes portions of tcc2wat)

So my question: Is it useful to implement version 1.5 into the future FDT24xx versions? 




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