Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-08-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, while I agree that more and more software is creeping into the distro if we add all interesting things, this list is still somewhat comparable to full 1.0. Yet already 1.0 had exactly the creep problem that you describe. So first we should indeed get a more basic 1.1 ready before we can

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again Rugxulo, So VMware needs PCNET? VirtualBox needs AMDPD? QEMU needs NE2000? Anybody know BOCHS? (Yes, I'm assuming more re: emulation than real hardware here, isn't that reasonable?) Bochs emulates a bad(?) NE2000 and a nonstandard PCI Pseudo NIC for which an Etherboot driver exists

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
Most attractive to average users (rough guess): Mpxplay Bret's USB CuteMouse mTCP + common packet drivers Arachne WGET Mined GNU Emacs Perl Python OpenGem OpenWatcom + NASM FreeDoom + Eternity Engine HXRT + HXGUI p7zip DJGPP (GCC + GPP + Watt-32) UIDE + XMGR + RDISK + SHCDX33E

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: Most attractive to average users (rough guess): While I'm glad to see enthusiasm for what the next FreeDOS distro should include, and you've got a lot of interesting stuff above, I'll point out that this is a classic example of scope creep.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 17-7-2011 23:23, Rugxulo schreef: This was merely an exercise at naming popular, i.e. heavily-desired, apps that most common users might probably want. It is not intended to reflect my own goofy needs. And besides, most of these already were in FD 1.0, so nyah. ;-) For a full CD it's

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 17-7-2011 23:23, Rugxulo schreef: This was merely an exercise at naming popular, i.e. heavily-desired, apps that most common users might probably want. It is not intended to reflect my own goofy needs. And besides, most of these already

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-16 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 7/15/2011 11:33 AM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: Op 15-7-2011 5:08, Michael B. Brutman schreef: - How do I use the new installer that Jim has been working on? It's in the new ISO that I plan to upload by Sunday evening. Still need to work out some things to make it a smoother experience. The initial

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-16 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 16-7-2011 16:30, Michael B. Brutman schreef: Good - I await the next revision. I'm trying to do my part here by testing it .. great, thanks. On all of my machines (DOS, Windows and Unix) I try to keep the optional packages separate from the core OS functions. So DOS will live in /DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/16/11, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 16-7-2011 16:30, Michael B. Brutman schreef: Does this mean that they will be put on the CD later, or that the user has to find a different way to get them on the machine? I think that every packet driver known to man probably fits

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-15 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Mike, - Are all of the binaries always put into the one bin dir? I expected Yes, like with Linux. Also remember that DOS often has small environment variable space, so we keep PATH short and have no opt or usr local ;-) However, FreeDOS 1.0 did have a few packages using further

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-15 Thread James
Some general questions and comments from a newbie: - How do I use the new installer that Jim has been working on? The new Install isn't in the first 1.1 test release. Look for it in the next test distro, if Bernd decides it is okay for testing.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-15 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 15-7-2011 5:08, Michael B. Brutman schreef: - How do I use the new installer that Jim has been working on? It's in the new ISO that I plan to upload by Sunday evening. Still need to work out some things to make it a smoother experience. The initial menu showing which CD drives were found

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-15 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Bernd Blaauw wrote: See above, minimising things. WATTCP programs are usually compiled as DJGPP programs, having kind of huge disk footprint compared to your drivers for example. The Watt32 libs are pretty big. The regular WatTCP is a lot smaller and 16-bit Internet

[Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-14 Thread Michael B. Brutman
I just took my first pass at installing 1.1 using the ISO image that Bernd Blaauw provided a few days ago. I got it done, but it was not without a few problems. I'll assume those are user errors until I can prove otherwise. Some general questions and comments from a newbie: - How do I use