LG Sad to see that, Tom! But you're right - there is no logic in
LG lawyer's thinking.
I'm only a programmer - with a programmer's brain.
Why use licensing terms I can't understand myself?
LG However, what if we compose a special FreeDOS
LG License, best suited to our needs (saying everything
Hello maintainer,
PS: I would like to have some PG binaries online,
too. If nobody else wants
to provide some, I could do so, but I am not sure if
BAHCL is okay with this!?
mf those PG binaries will be covered by the GNU GPL
mf version 2, and will have a link to the PG website.
there's
Hi all,
MKEYB 0.40 released
website http://www.drivesnapshot.de/freedos/mkeyb.htm
download http://www.drivesnapshot.de/freedos/mkeyb.zip
changes:
now uses APACK for 200 byte smaller executable
licensing changed to allow distribution of APACK'ed executables
tom
MKEYB 0.40 released
changes:
now uses APACK for 200 byte smaller executable
licensing changed to allow distribution of APACK'ed executables
JH What you have indicated in your release is that you modified the license
JH to allow distribution of the aPack'ed binary. However, you need to have
MKEYB 0.40 released
...
LG Great! But when I downloaded it, it turned out to be... the old version
LG (0.39)! :-(
Don't know why it wasn't uploaded, but now it is.
You may have to refresh your browsers cache, otherwise
you might still get the old version.
BO I wonder why you'd want to save
Bart,
BO Who can sue Tom for changing the license? The copyright holders.
There aren't any.
contributing to a project doesn't mean you get a copyright.
BO Will they
BO sue Tom? They'll have a tough time in court (because the contributions
BO are minor and close to fair use)
only 'close' to fair
ASM But anyway, and in order to avoid discrepancies, I'd like to use UPX/UCL
ASM if available
Seems GPL forces you to use second best choice
(similar to choosing LINUX)
However, after rereading the *exact* GPL terms, I still consider an
exepacker kind of runtime library.
IFF
it's ok to
Hello Alain,
A tom ehlert escreveu:
himem /TESTMEM:ON|OFF
really want a (bad) memory test in 1.0 ?
A As bad as is MS's is, it did save me many times. Consider it not a
A _test_for_100%_ok_ but as a _test_if_exists_ and
I disagree.
If you want a memorytest (I don't question that), you can
emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS
emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM
as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_
ASM My guesses:
ASM RAM
wrong guess
ASM My suspicion is ...
ASM ROM, my guessing is (only a guessing), ...
e.g. Eric implemented it as
some others like Win 3.11 compat
should probably be fixed before we call it FreeDOS 1.0 ...
There is probably a patent to prevent us of it anyway :(
ASM I don't think so... Did it prevent DR-DOS from doing that anyway? I
ASM think it's just a question of misscompatibilities here or there...
Michael,
MD Since you're the maintainer and overall big picture
MD operations man on EMM386
well - I was the programing guy. Now someone else stepped in, and he
has done GREAT. Now I'm left with administrative stuff ;)
MD and I've just been handling the addition
MD of a couple of features
tiny
Hello Michael,
MD The final release of EMM386 with VCPI support, version 0.90,
MD is now available at ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/downloads as the
MD files emm090.zip (executable) and emm090sr.zip (asm and C source
MD modifications to the original file set).
I took that version, merged it into
Hello Bernd,
BB HIMEM is still under GPL, correct?
HIMEM is under Artistic License.
BB derived from FDXMS, which is GPL.
derived from FDXMS 0.2, which is free.
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Hi, I got an urgent request
well - really urgent ;)
The claim is that (paraphrasing) having to use a web browser
to download non-8.3-filename and save it as 8.3 filename on
disk would be contradictory to GPL.
a) the claim is 100% bullshit.
b) but is a good reason to switch to a
Hello Johnson,
JL I got the same problem when trying MSCLIENT, it does work under
JL FDXXMS+UMBPCI (try it), but fail with HIMEM+EMM386. I'm quite sure the
JL memory manager and hardware not so compatible especially Network
JL Interface Card.
Freedos EMM386 doesn't support VDS yet, and NET.EXE
BO On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Bart wrote:
BO Some (especially embedded) applications don't use the DOS memory manager
BO but assume all the memory past that given to them by DOS is free for
BO use.
BO ..
BO Obvious reply:
BO Most users don't use Some (especially embedded) applications.
And these can
Now, my users are reporting that the boot disk no longer works on
machines which have Intel gigabit (PRO/1000) networking hardware.
Problem:
Intel PRO1000 network driver E1000.DOS does
Int21/IoControl XYZ
-- driver
-- Int21/GetVect, Setvect
this will reuse the same
Bart,
Int21/IoControl XYZ
-- driver
-- Int21/GetVect, Setvect
the problem with this is that int28 handlers will now end up on the error
stack instead of the disk api stack. So if an int28-TSR such as THELP
causes a critical error, the critical error will end up on its own
The latter suggestion is especially important if you want to make
DISPLAY a real DEVICE. Other than an EXE (with heap specification in
the header), the SYS would have to be an huge file, 60k or something,
unless you allocate the buffers dynamically.
or you use .EXE style sys-files, of course.
well it is.
even the published suppl source is.
unfortunately, it's incomplete; the available suppl.lib contains
functions where the source doesn't exist on the net.
see bug #1794
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Hello Jim,
PD-DOS was announced to the world on June 28, 1994. That project would
quickly turn into the FreeDOS Project. It's amazing to see the project
still alive and kicking after 10 years. So I thought it would be
appropriate to do something to celebrate our 10th birthday this year.
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Hello Arkady,
5. MS-command.com places its (resized) segment with environment right after
itself (original segment preserved not freed), FreeCOM places environment
into UMB, but, as I understand, with LAST_FIT.
I think, (5) should be changed (LAST_FIT to BEST_FIT).
I think (5) should
Hello Arkady,
5. MS-command.com places its (resized) segment with environment right after
itself (original segment preserved not freed), FreeCOM places environment
into UMB, but, as I understand, with LAST_FIT.
I think, (5) should be changed (LAST_FIT to BEST_FIT).
te I think (5) should
Hello Arkady,
I suggest, this may cause troubles for your swapping FreeCOM edition.
What I mean: FreeCOM loaded at FABh; when it runs program, it remains here
(shorter) stub and swaps itself somewhere. Let suggest, some program will
allocate memory at 1063h (right after stub). As I
Hello Eric,
Monday, July 5, 2004, 4:23:00 AM, you wrote:
Hi, translation time!
http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/ sort-04jul2004.zip
I'd prefer programming time as SORT can't sort anything greater then
~15000 byte. In this case I'd prefer functionality over 'smallest
executable at
Hello Michael,
Should EMM386 remove its current code which changes returned upper memory
block start addresses from A000 to A001? Is it safe? Is it sane? Is it
The Right Thing To Do or not?
when I wrote that 'return a001 instead of a000', I saw a lot of
problems, that would arise, if lower
Hello Michael,Arkady, and everybody else
WITHOUT PROGRAMMING OR TESTING !!
some thoughts:
being pressed by arkady, I rethought the issue.
I think, that even IF EMM385 returns A000, the old kernels
will not merge a000 UMB into lower RAM.
old kernel, old a001 EMM386:
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Hello Alain,
I believe this is a very typical representation of FreeDOS development.
Some people are optimizing it while critical problems (for some people)
remain unsolved.
I don't think that this statement is valid for the last 3 years of
kernel development.
tom
Hello Michael,
Uploaded to ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/downloads are the files emm386.zip
(uncompressed executable) and emm386sr.zip (revised source code) for EMM386.
and restores the VDS experimental option for those who
can use it in its current skeletal condition.
if you didn't make VDS
Hello Luchezar,
Sure. Borland's delay() uses timer 0. Why not rely on the referesh toggle
bit instead?
maybe because that's a *really* undocumented input bit ?
I searched right now, but couldn't find it anywhere.
so let me ask:
what kind of 'refresh' is that ?
does this work on
Hello Steffen,
The boot menu is used in a DOS session one time at maximum.
and - hopefully - FreeCOM also isn't bping all the time ;)
INT 15 - BIOS - WAIT (AT,PS)
AH = 86h
CX:DX = interval in microseconds
Return: CF clear if successful (wait interval elapsed)
CF
Hello Arkady,
LOADFIX (should be part of every FreeDOS distro! Do we have one?
te In what part of the universe did you spend the last few years ?
tom, please, be slightly more polite.
this WAS the polite version.
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Hello Bernd,
LOL!
original author meant: 'if (programmer) concerned about size of program,
then why add an instruction which you don't use result of afterwards?
That's how I understood the original author as well.
But then I didn't understand why our deasr Eric broadcasts this very
original
Hello Luchezar,
What is the overall reputation of the anonymous Russian domains? I can
only say that I think that the Russians are the best in everything they do
the best ?
they certainly have made some good software (and other things)
they also host the best 'crack found for comercial
Hello Erwin,
I am experiencing troubles with EMM386 on WATTCP
applications over 16bit ODI + ODIPKT packet driver.
Also your latest EMM386 did not solve this.
When using NO UMB-manager at all, or using UMBPCI.SYS
everything works fine. When I use EMM386 (noems x=test)
the WATTCP
Hello Erwin,
raise all these implications but at the price that it is very chipset
dependent, where EMM386 follows a generic line (aiming
hardware independence)
that's why I did it first place
but having to fullfill far more issues
(VDS, DPMI/EMM/XMS memory pooling, etc.)
as I found out
well, a while ago we had a serious, heated debate about licensing,
in particular about the all so important GPL, and if it's allowed to
distribute the APACK'ed kernel.
now I wonder:
WHO THE HELL made up himem.lsm and emm386.lsm ?
the original author is certainly NOT [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
Hello Robert,
Try writing the lsm files yourself. You're the
maintainer -- or certainly the last person to make
changes.
I wrote one myself - and published it.
and the current one on freedos.org/software is not the one I wrote.
and however changed copying liocense to 'open source(public)'
Hello Robert,
Tom wrote:
Maintaining is more than just having your
fun writing code.
well - I certainly know better then you.
What a sage comment. I don't work with people that
make gutter comments like that.
You say this about me, yet you know full well that I
re-wrote the entire
Hello Eric,
That would be a pity. Tom can be very technical sometimes,
like 'do not suggest a feature, write the code and I will
tell you if it will become part of HIMEM...'. Sometimes he
can even be harsh.
that's true - and I don't apologize ;)
But there is also little visible interest in
Hello Aitor,
Yes, but my question is how does kernel know where the device header
starts? MZ doesn't look like a correct pointer to the next device
driver inside the file...
'MZ' is only an envelope around 'the real thing', specifying e.g.
minimum space required, START POINT, size of
Hello Bernd,
try 2035 + freecom 0.82pl3AK + DOS=HIGH,UMB + MS-HIMEM for
example..crash after the created nn buffers in HMA
this is long before freecom gets loaded.
as 2035 works beautiful everywhere, there's probably something special
in your configuration, that you didn't tell us.
tom
Hello Bernd,
just tested HTMLHELP with ke2035+ (toms boring stable version).
AFAICT, everything works fine. no crashes,...
sorry bernd: thanks for the crashing boot disk, but I somhow managed
to loose it in cyberspace.
you might resend me a crashing version ;)
tom
Hello Eric,
Hi, in order to load MemTest86+ from DOS, int 15 must not be hooked.
then don't load HIMEM (and neither emm386)
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I have three questions:
1. Does freeDOS have a ramdisk
yes. XMSDSK.
and if so how do I use it?
pretty straight forward.
* Port DosEmu from Linux to SUN SOLARIS
* boot dos, giving it a lot of memory (for the RAMDISK)
* start XMSDSK
* start MS LANMANAGER as server, and make the
Hello Alain,
[...]
* Port DosEmu from Linux to SUN SOLARIS
* boot dos, giving it a lot of memory (for the RAMDISK)
* start XMSDSK
* start MS LANMANAGER as server, [...]
DosEmu provides packet driver, have you been able to instal MS
LANMANAGER using it?
No.
I spent a lot of time last
Hello Eric,
I think we need not compress country sys - the FreeDOS version is
already pretty small.
yes, it's indded pretty small.
because the kernel is compressed.
because emm386 is compressed.
because himem is compressed.
because command can be compressed.
so we can really afford
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Hello Bart, Erwin,
Error: segment _TEXT exceeds 64K (repeated 4 times)
You're doing nothing wrong here as far as I can see. The source is too
big now to fit in 64k. Large model is a work around but then you'd need a
suppl_l.lib.
I recently compiled it, and it _text was 0xFE??
not much
Hello Erwin,
Last fix in FreeCOM CVS (changed revision 1.155):
fix: LH: Errorlevel of program effects LH's error reporting
great - this fixes an (so far unknown) bug, but
introduced a new problem.
The trick to force-loadlow
a program that tries to load itself into UMB by
LH /L: someprog now
Hello Bernd,
that testingsuite seems great, but batchfiles look a bit complex
(recursive..).
Ok - I'm pretty advanced with batch programming ;)
I tend to find some errors in FreeCOM by accident, when experimenting a
bit with batch code and getting unexpected results.
then it would be great
Hello Johnson,
I got change another PC to test FreeDOS, because it's faster and have
a USB port. But the latest EMM386 [Nov 15] will hangup when VDS
enabled.
Testing environment:
a) in your testing environment, I don't see 'VDS'
b) please press F8, singlestep Config.sys, and tell us WHERE
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Happy new year first.
I want to ask the general audience about UDMA(2)'s compatibility with
chipsets. UDMA will accelerate many/most of current chipsets, but
unfortunately it seems to kill some (few?) chipsets and mustn't be
used on those.
unfortunately the 'sometimes bad' makes it
I forgot to mention one VERY important thing: what information to
provide.
please send
device- and vendor ID as reported by UDMA
AMD/Intel CPU
approximate age
and - of course - GOOD, BAD, HARMLESS
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Hello Erwin,
@Tom
I will send you any info on non-working hardware I
get from my NwDsk end-users. Since I provide an
escape-option in config.sys to choose when
experiencing errors like this, the response might
be low due to end-users successfully using this
workaround.
I plan something
Hello everybody,
I had contact with Jack Ellis, and he claims that there are NO systems
(that he knows about), where UDMA leaves it in a unusable state.
maybe it won't work(accelerate), but at least it doesn't break the system.
So UDMA could be used as default driver on ANY system.
are there ANY
Hello Eric,
UMB as (mode) is already used. The only test which you cannot do is the
one for mono and pre-EGA graphics cards being present. I think I can find
a test PC for that as soon as EMM386 has MONOUMB and VGAUMB ;-).
what would be the difference between
MONOUMB and /I=b000-b7ff
or
Hello Eric,
UMB as (mode) is already used. The only test which you cannot do is the
one for mono and pre-EGA graphics cards being present. I think I can find
a test PC for that as soon as EMM386 has MONOUMB and VGAUMB ;-).
what would be the difference between
MONOUMB and /I=b000-b7ff
Hello AITOR,
3) Burn a bootable CD with floppy emulation with disk image above, and
put flash data in content
What is a bootable CD with floppy emulation? What program does this?
a bootable CD, where the bootcode emulates a floppy (and not a HD)
tom
Ehm, you guys mean something like this scheme?
Component Component Component Smartdrive Win3.1 Win98
fd-kernel fd-himem fd-emm386 works? works? works?
-
Y any any [1] NO NO
Hello Aitor,
For the microscopic percentage of 80286-level clients, just use
FDXMS286. Simple readily available solution. Fix it if it's broken,
no big deal. Why mug HIMEM when it's so unnecessary?
I must say that I agree with you, at least in practical purposes.
The problem arises,
Hello Arkady,
the minimal system requirements for the sy2pac sys/exe compressor stub are:
te that's easy: find a working 286 and test it.
te if it crashes, it uses 386 instructions.
Isn't sy2pac open/free source?
NO.
If yes, then it may be easily studied
(for example, if it written for
Hello Eric,
I am actually surprised that nobody seems to care about the
buggy int 15.87 simply because HIMEM accidentally hides that
bug.
because noone is allowed to use int 15.87 after HIMEM took complete
control over it.
Would be very strange if ALL XMS drivers out there,
there aren't that
Hello Michael,
The optimization is the one that tries to align EDI to an
eight-byte boundary before the main REP MOVSD.
Allow me to have a different 'opinion'. As far as I understand+remember
Intel optimization guides (whatever CPU that was for), alignment of ESI
is more important.
Table
Hello Johnson,
could you be just a tiny little bit more specific ?
maybe forward the original message ?
I got a message from Jack Ellis (UDMA2 author) warning me a potential
problem in SHSUCDX 3.02.
like: only 3.02 or other versions as well ?
The source code overload the 16bit NASM and the
Hello Alain,
I just made some tests with UDMA2 and had some unexpected results:
Why is FreeDOS so much slower (60% no UDMA, 14% with UDMA)???
this may depend on
file placement and free space fragmentation as
well, where MSDOS uses an alghorithm other then freedos
what EXACTLY is
FreeDOSMS-DOS7.10
UDMA2, no cacheR=6.3 W=4.4R=54.2 W=16.0
UDMA2, cacheR=5.5 W=4.4R=39.5 W=15.7
Bernd is probably right: EMM386, in particular Pentium VME-unaware
versions, can be the main cause of bad FreeDOS performance here.
it would be very kind if the idiot at
217.17.38.2, hosted at atman.pl,
would either shut down his machine or use a virus scanner,
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Hello Alain,
just a general hint in benchmarking (for beginners):
a) try to measure something with something that you understand what it
does; else your measurements might not be interpretable
scince you don't know what rawspeed does (*exactly*), or what your
indexing app does (again, *exctly),
Hello Eric,
part of the problem. AND Jack, I think the 47 seconds were FREEDOS HIMEM
version 3.10, not MS HIMEM.
interesting 'I think'
WTF is measured ?
Talking about every trick in the BOOK, the XMS 3.0 specs explicitly
tell that you do NOT have to LOCK XMS handles to use the XMS copy
Hello Alain,
That is why I wish that I could move ONLY the buffers to low memory, but
as was said here today, this seems too complicated as it is part of the
kernel internals
BUFFERS= are accessed (and used) only for single sector transfers.
and memcpy()'ing them around is MUCH faster then
Hello Johnson,
I want to submit my opinion:
My personal opinion is that the XMS Swap version of FreeCOM should be
optimized for 286 CPUs. You can always add a config sys menu which
I think it SHOULD BE optimized for 386 CPU, that means priority is
386, then have a 8086/286 version for users
Hello Michael,
The new auto-MEMCHECK approach thereby continues to provide protection
against wild memory access errors below 3G (by generating a fault) while
allowing MMIO access without fault above 3G. Protection is lost for wild
memory accesses in the 3G-4G range, but that could be an
Hello Jose,
The XMS swap feature means: Copy most of FreeCOM to XMS while a program
is running, and mark the memory as free. So FreeCOM LOOKS as if it would
be only 3 kilobytes small in RAM.
...
Having a version which is 8086 compatible but uses XMS Swap is a very special
choice for universal
Hi Eric,
1'st thanks for this patch (at least you *DO* something)
but it would be nice if the archive would also contain
BUILD.BAT or similar, so I don't have to figure out how to compile
(Masm,Nasm,Tasm,...) and how it was compressed
Tom
Hi, now that DOSLFN has grown far better than the outdated LFNDOS,
*now* ? did I miss something ?
does everybody agree to remove LFNDOS from the official FreeDOS
software list (LSM database)?
no.
actually the *whole* LSM database sucks anyway (in case of LFNDOS,
it's completely outdated, and
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I agree that device drivers should not modify any register when you call
them, but I admit that I do not remember WHERE I have read that device
drivers MUST not modify any registers. In particular, fixing EMM386 would
Well PC-DOS tech reference states regarding the The
Hello Alex,
This is PCISLEEP by Eric Auer 12mar2005 - Free open source software.
Read GNU General Public License 2 at www.gnu.org
PCISLEEP - where can I get this from?
www.google.com (as did I just 5 minutes ago)
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Hello Eric,
convert(FAT32_Free_Space.free_clusters /
(2048UL / (clustersize/512)), buffer);
unfortunately drops the low 2047 (0x7ff) of free_clusters
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Hello Alex,
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Aitor Santamar?Merino wrote:
There's a very small program that sets up the UK keymap; KEYBUK.COM,
No, KEYBUK.COM is not Microsoft's. It's freely available for download.
All it does is to set up the keymap for UK keyboards but I think it
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Hello Jose,
Anyway, my main question was about the reason why the memory image must be
swapped, instead of reloaded from file.
the main and real reason is that I implemented it that way - feel free
to use the swapping command.com and CALL /S
but read the documentation what won't work with
Hello Alain,
I said not long ago that running windows on FreeDOS is not a real test,
it would be a test, and it would fail. FreeDOS kernel isn't compatible
enough to run Windows 3.x
end of story.
let me explain why: Windows at some point included some very complicated
locking mechanism to
Hello Alain,
let me explain why: Windows at some point included some very complicated
locking mechanism to *avoid* windows running other DOSes.
plain wrong.
?? what I meant to say is that Windows 3.x (some version) had some code
to detect if the dos was really from Microsoft. This was suposed
Hello Alain,
It should provide its
own library routines so it's easy to use different compilers.
I believe that if somone is *really* motivated, this can be done.
But it would still be a lot of work...
it's MUCH less work then writing FreeCOM in the first place - by
several orders of
Hello Alex,
Friday, August 19, 2005, 10:48:17 PM, you wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, tom ehlert wrote:
Hello Alain,
It should provide its
own library routines so it's easy to use different compilers.
I believe that if somone is *really* motivated, this can be done.
But it would still
Hello Joe,
Why do you think so many of the core group of developers have
left the project.
the core developers finished their work, at least up to the point
where they were satisfied with the result.
that's not the same as leaving, and has nothing to do with eric.
God you're fucking
Hello Blair,
Hi Blair, del *.*~ is MEANT to delete all files!
Nope; MS-DOS command.com will only delete files ending with ~ in their
extention. The same goes for Win2k's cmd.exe.
words, *.*~ gets expanded to .??? and the ~ gets
It should be .[~?][~?][~?]
depends.
the
Hello Alain,
I really don't understand why so much effort is put in new and 1.0 stuff
and when I report a BUG in the KERNEL so serious that I had to remove
FreeDOS from a real user machine I didn't even get ONE answer from the list
what do you expect ?
'some program of mine doesn't
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Hello Alain,
c) make it a DOS distribution ( ~1-2 MB), not a pile of each and
every more or less useful or useless programm that happens to
work on freedos; provide a hyperlink for [more packets]
I agree. But I am making my own distro, which just shows that I disagree ;-)
I don't
Hello David,
FreeCom only compiles in small model (see below).
I'm pretty sure I got everything to compile in large model
even if you can compile it in large model, XMS-SWAP will DEFINITIVELY
not work, no matter how much work you put into it.
it's in the concept, not the actual implementation
Hello BA,
I tried Freecom type penc.txt penc.1 and got a smaller file size,
where penc.txt=6,779,599 bytes and penc.1=6,755,419 bytes.
use the execllent COMP program to solve such problems
I want to spawn a child process to HMA, is it possible?
no
tom
Hello Kenneth,
With several of my changes/additions the size of the
kernel has grown
just a few cents:
a) are human beings like me supposed to locate kernel sources ?
how about a link where one can download it without knowing where it
is ?
b) anyone knows who in hell is 'perditionc'
Hello Bernd,
if HIMEM compiles now with NASM, does FDXMS/FDXXMS/FDXDM286 also (as
HIMEM was based on it, looong time ago)?
HIMEM and FDXMS are descent from the same parent which also happens to
be called FDXMS, but HIMEM is definitively NOT based on the current
FDXMS. If anything, it's
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