Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-21 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Your vision on DOS is somewhat, well, interesting ;-) So there is a lot to chat about, although I am not sure if the KERNEL list is the right place for this topic. DPMI: I would expect performance gain to be minimal. Maybe there could be Low/HMA/UMB memory savings with a different

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Louis, sort of a long response - it seems hard to make a short point here: FreeDOS Roadmap, as goals and stretch goals for the project. I read (paraphrasing): built-in networking, built-in USB, integrated DPMI, 32-bit The fd32 project works or worked on the DPMI aspect. As far as I

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-04 Thread ht-lab
On 03/05/2013 15:55, Tom Ehlert wrote: In the past, we compiled kernels for 8086, 186 and 386 separately afair. I guess we got lazy and have dropped 186 because very few users have 186/286 as their CPU? They either have modern or REALLY old. this is not about 'lazy' it's easier for the user

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-04 Thread Louis Santillan
Haha...I'd be interested if you ever developed a 586 core at 1GHz that could utilize DDR-3 upto 4GB. On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:43 AM, ht-lab han...@ht-lab.com wrote: On 03/05/2013 15:55, Tom Ehlert wrote: In the past, we compiled kernels for 8086, 186 and 386 separately afair. I guess we

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-03 Thread Louis Santillan
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Louis, if I understand your patch correctly, you only changed the build configuration to check how it affects the size of the compiled kernel before UPX compression, which also is an indicator of RAM size of the kernel?

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-03 Thread Louis Santillan
What's the difference between wcc wcc386? I noticed that wcc386 adds -5s, -5r, -fp5 (-6 equivalents) for stack, register and fpu optimization. Does wcc386 generate code that could be used in the kernel? -L On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Louis Santillan lpsan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri,

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-03 Thread Tom Ehlert
Kernels with FAT32: 086: 68358 bytes 186: 67180 bytes (286 same) 386: 66044 bytes 486: 65948 bytes (586 and 686 same) It is interesting that even 186 instructions do make a quite big difference and that there is a difference at all between 386 and 486. With 186, you get pusha and

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-03 Thread Tom Ehlert
What's the difference between wcc wcc386? code generation for 16 bit (DOS) or 32 bit (windows) Does wcc386 generate code that could be used in the kernel? no Big wins could be had on 586 with FPU memcpy 64-bit versus the 16-bit asm in the kernel now and possibly the string functions.

Re: [Freedos-kernel] Any interest in 486, 586, 686 kernels?

2013-05-03 Thread Louis Santillan
I'll have to post my files when I get back from Disneyland tonight. Some initial thoughts about the byte savings, things like LEA got and loop unrolling got super efficient with later processors. It wasn't just about the new instructions but upgrades new forms of old instructions. TASM used to