Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-12 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:51 PM Rugxulo wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 3:57 AM, dmccunney wrote: > > > > I went around this elsewhere with a guy who is doing a replacement for > > the Busybox package with the first target being Android. (Android > > developers are using what he is doing

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 3:57 AM, dmccunney wrote: > > I went around this elsewhere with a guy who is doing a replacement for > the Busybox package with the first target being Android. (Android > developers are using what he is doing internally.) I assume you mean Rob Landley and Toybox.

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
I don't have any love for Windows; would rather use dos. One way is to rewrite xtalk; the other is to build or buy a converter - usb to RS232 and back. One reason dos software is so difficult to make is because you don't have the special commands needed. In the very old days you could get them

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: The bad thing about Crosstalk is that it only works on RS232 now extinct. At work I'd splice in an extra link on RS232 lines to our samplers. Xtalk was able to capture secret command codes known only to the factory. With them I could control the

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
The bad thing about Crosstalk is that it only works on RS232 now extinct. At work I'd splice in an extra link on RS232 lines to our samplers. Xtalk was able to capture secret command codes known only to the factory. With them I could control the samplers wothout factory software. Then came usb and

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
Dennis: I just knew you would come up with some good stuff. cheers DS ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 ***

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
It has become a complex world. Some people like me get really confused by it. Do you know anything about Gif and LZW; I understand that are now free to use any time you want? If they were copyrights then I would think they would still be covered but if they were patents they could be free by now.

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
Great explaination. Maybe you should post it on your web site. I think maybe software should get a new catagory. Books and music can last for centuries. Software can have a very short lifespan. Software is often abadoned completely and the law should be changed to reflect this. cheers DS

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
I know that - just making fun of it . But if you did copyright an invention or drug by description, then when someone applied for a patend they'd have to use that description to apply and you could sue them for copyright violation for using your matterial. Just humor. cheers DS On Tue, 3 Jul

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
Thank you This should be a quiz show question. I wonder how many could answer it. DS On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:19:42 -0400 Jerome Shidel writes: > > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > [..] > > In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the > moment > > you create

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread Jerome Shidel
> On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > [...] > If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright > rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type writter > an register it. No generic drugs for years. > Then there are Patents. At first glance, a

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM Dale E Sterner wrote: > > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they > would sell me a copy of the source code and let > me make changes for personal use only. > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't > the office find one; it seems a simple job. >

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-04 Thread dmccunney
> Exactly. And that should answer Dale's question of "So what is the > point of having a copyright office." Your work is automatically under > copyright when you create it. But if you register the work with the US > Copyright Office, then you have a solid legal ground if someone else > comes along

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread Jim Hall
> On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > [..] > In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment > you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does > *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen. > From the US Copyright Office

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread geneb
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type writter an register it. No generic drugs for years. That's not how Copyright works. Please use Google. g. -- Proud owner of

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
I read your link, very eye opening. Very few people are aware of this. I once paid a lawyer $30 to explain copyrights to me. Even he got it wrong - very wrong. By the way I'm a horrible speller, always have been. If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright rather then a patent.

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread geneb
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote: I can see I found a real expert. So what is the point of having a copyright office. We could save a lot of tax money getting rid of it. Also why don't they do patents the same way. Then is there anything out there that is public domain. For certain

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
I can see I found a real expert. So what is the point of having a copyright office. We could save a lot of tax money getting rid of it. Also why don't they do patents the same way. Then is there anything out there that is public domain. cheers DS On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:37:25 -0500 Jim Hall

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread Jim Hall
>> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: >> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright >> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk" >> > which was after 1978. > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint wrote: >> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS >>

Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

2018-07-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they would sell me a copy of the source code and let me make changes for personal use only. It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't the office find one; it seems a simple job. Their reply was that they couldn't find anything, How is that