Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Robert Riebisch,

am Dienstag, 26. April 2022 um 22:10 schrieben Sie:

> Hi Javier,

>> I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
>> client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work. 
>> 
>> See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/

> I tested VBSF.EXE 0.54 on stock FreeDOS 1.3 and SvarDOS (uses an older
> FreeDOS kernel from 2016)

before reporting bugs, it would be a good idea to report with a recent
kernel (although I don't expect a difference).

>  and at first it seemed to work, but I found it
> not very stable. Trying to copy folders from DOS to the host led to
> errors about being unable to read the files from the source folder.

with both of your tries?

COPY? XCOPY? VC COPY?

does
  COPY C:*.* NUL
work? is that related to the destination being
remote?

of course 'errors' might have more meaningful messages other then
'error'.


> Additionally, I noticed timestamps are not correct. Most (?) times the
> date and time of the point in time of copying will be shown.

again, the name of the copiying program might be helpful.

> I also noticed on SvarDOS copied files will sometimes show up as type
> 'directory'. I'm unable to open these 'folder' with a text editor or
> change to them, but I could delete them with 'del filename'.

in a DOS environment (other then windows), most things are
reproducable. i.e. the same batch should always result in the same
results.so document your steps. usually in a .BAT file.

however your above 'my actions result in error' could be better.

Tom



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Re: [Freedos-user] x86Box

2022-04-26 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
I realize this is a work in progress, but perhaps "The most popular emulators 
are listed here:" should instead say something like "FreeDOS images for some of 
the most popular emulators are listed here:" :)




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On Tuesday, April 26th, 2022 at 1:06 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:


> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:05 AM Daniel codehunte...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Has anyone looked into using x86Box as an alternative to vmware and 
> > virtualbox to run FreeDOS and other old operating systems?
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel
>
> If you mean 86Box, we already have a link to it on the FreeDOS website:
> https://www.freedos.org/links/
>
> In the redesigned website, the links to the different VM software will
> probably be on the "Downloads" page, so folks will see it, like on
> this mock-up:
> http://test.freedos.org/download/
>
>
>
> Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Javier,

> I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
> client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work. 
> 
> See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/

I tested VBSF.EXE 0.54 on stock FreeDOS 1.3 and SvarDOS (uses an older
FreeDOS kernel from 2016) and at first it seemed to work, but I found it
not very stable. Trying to copy folders from DOS to the host led to
errors about being unable to read the files from the source folder.

Additionally, I noticed timestamps are not correct. Most (?) times the
date and time of the point in time of copying will be shown.

I also noticed on SvarDOS copied files will sometimes show up as type
'directory'. I'm unable to open these 'folder' with a text editor or
change to them, but I could delete them with 'del filename'.

> Or https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823 
> 
> It also includes a int33 mouse driver with VBox integration.
> (Note however that attempting to use it with FreeDOS' EDIT 
> results in freezing the VirtualBox UI, since EDIT seems to be spamming
> the int33 hide/show cursor calls at very high frequency and the driver
> just forwards them directly to the VirtualBox UI. May need some rate
> limiting there. However it works with most other programs including
> MS's EDIT). 

I could load VBMOUSE and it detected a mouse, but I was unable to use
it. Either (text mode) programs didn't show a mouse cursor or the VM
freezed hardly.

Nevertheless I appreciate your work so far and hope you will continue. :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Eduardo,

> I almost finished a version of vmsmount for VBox two or three years ago,
> but I abandoned it because I lost interest. Now that you have a working
> redirector, I see an opportunity to contribute to it. I'll mail you
> privately to see if we can work it out. UTF-16 support and basic LFN
> (mangling file names) come to mind.

Really cool, that you will try together to improve VBADOS.
I'm looking forward to your results.

:-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Ralf Quint

On 4/26/2022 3:56 AM, Eduardo Casino wrote:



Very terse. Me gusta mucho. :-)


I'm sorry, I did not mean to be rude.

OK, so I think I was not technically wrong, VMware does not, *but*
there is a way round it?


It is correct that VMWare does not provide guest additions for DOS, 
that is why I developed vmsmount, which implements just the shared 
folders interface.


Well, not to forget that the question as per subject refers to 
VirtualBox, not VMWare



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Re: [Freedos-user] x86Box

2022-04-26 Thread Jim Hall
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:05 AM Daniel  wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked into using x86Box as an alternative to vmware and 
> virtualbox to run FreeDOS and other old operating systems?
>
>


Hi Daniel

If you mean 86Box, we already have a link to it on the FreeDOS website:
https://www.freedos.org/links/

In the redesigned website, the links to the different VM software will
probably be on the "Downloads" page, so folks will see it, like on
this mock-up:
http://test.freedos.org/download/



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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2235, Issue 1

2022-04-26 Thread Darrin M. Gorski
A simple way to move files into a Virtualbox FreeDOS instance under Windows
is to just use a separate virtual hard disk.  A VHD disk file can be
created in Windows using standard Windows-provided disk utilities
(Virtualbox supports the VHD disk format as do most other virtualizers like
Hyper-V and QEMU).  It's pretty easy to create, forman and mount a virtual
disk and add files to it..

You can then add it to your Virtualbox config and it will show up as a
second hard drive in FreeDOS with your files already on it.

I found this video that shows how to create a DOS FAT VHD, including
formatting it and adding a file to it. It's in the context of a different
solution (mister/AO486) but the VHD part is all you need to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geivQc1symc=32s

- Darrin


On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 10:49 AM jkendzi  wrote:

> Thank you all for your insight. I will investigate the vmsmount and the
> network idea.
> I need to import or load a program to use in the freedos platform and
> would like to add the folder into my dos C:\ drive but haven't figured that
> out yet. Then I wouldn't need to use a shared folder.
> I have the folder in my /home/documents/ now and just want to copy it into
> the virtual drive so I can run the .com and use the program.
>
> James Kendzierski
> jken...@gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 4:17 AM 
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>> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:32:17 -0700
>> Subject: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
>> I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS and my
>> /home/documents folder.
>>
>> I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to access a
>> folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>> James Kendzierski
>> jken...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
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>> To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:34:50 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 02:34, jkendzi  wrote:
>> >
>> > I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS and
>> my /home/documents folder.
>> >
>> > I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to access
>> a folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>>
>> I have spent a little time and effort on this, too.
>>
>> My sad conclusion is that I don't think you can, directly. VBox will
>> only share folders with its own guest additions in the VM. If there
>> are no GAs, it won't share folders. There are no GAs for DOS.
>> Therefore, you can't share folders with a DOS guest.
>>
>> (I would love to be shown to be wrong.)
>>
>> Therefore, all you could do is to share the folders to your LAN with
>> your host OS, and install an SMB client (such as the MS LAN Manager
>> client, or the IBM DOS network client) into FreeDOS and connect it to
>> the LAN using VBox' bridged networking functionality.
>>
>> Connectix' VirtualPC used to offer DOS guest additions, but it only
>> works on VirtualPC. VPC is freeware now, but only supports up to Win7
>> (with a hack to run on Win8).
>>
>> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>>
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>>
>> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/vmsmount.html
>>
>> Regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2235, Issue 1

2022-04-26 Thread jkendzi
Thank you all for your insight. I will investigate the vmsmount and the
network idea.
I need to import or load a program to use in the freedos platform and would
like to add the folder into my dos C:\ drive but haven't figured that out
yet. Then I wouldn't need to use a shared folder.
I have the folder in my /home/documents/ now and just want to copy it into
the virtual drive so I can run the .com and use the program.

James Kendzierski
jken...@gmail.com

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> Subject: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
> I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS and my
> /home/documents folder.
>
> I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to access a
> folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
> James Kendzierski
> jken...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:34:50 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 02:34, jkendzi  wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS and
> my /home/documents folder.
> >
> > I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to access a
> folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>
> I have spent a little time and effort on this, too.
>
> My sad conclusion is that I don't think you can, directly. VBox will
> only share folders with its own guest additions in the VM. If there
> are no GAs, it won't share folders. There are no GAs for DOS.
> Therefore, you can't share folders with a DOS guest.
>
> (I would love to be shown to be wrong.)
>
> Therefore, all you could do is to share the folders to your LAN with
> your host OS, and install an SMB client (such as the MS LAN Manager
> client, or the IBM DOS network client) into FreeDOS and connect it to
> the LAN using VBox' bridged networking functionality.
>
> Connectix' VirtualPC used to offer DOS guest additions, but it only
> works on VirtualPC. VPC is freeware now, but only supports up to Win7
> (with a hack to run on Win8).
>
> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>
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> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
>
> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>>
>
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/vmsmount.html
>
> Regards,
> Eduardo
>
>>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 12:25, Eduardo Casino 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
> >
> >
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/vmsmount.html
>
> Very terse. Me gusta mucho. :-)
>
> OK, so I think I was not technically wrong, VMware does not, *but*
> there is a way round it?
>
> Very useful info. Thank you!
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Eduardo Casino
El mar, 26 abr 2022 a las 14:54, Javier () escribió:

>
> Wow vmsmount code is very nice! One of the cleanest examples of a
> redirector in Watcom C that I have seen. Wish I had seen this before.
> The only other one I knew is EtherDFS.
>
> Thanks, VBFS seems very nice too ;)  Mouse integration is also very cool.


> I actually based it on the 1st edition of Undocumented DOS aka Pascal,
> not the 2nd...
> Is there any DOS program you'd recommend to exercise uncommon/likely
> broken functionality in a redirector? Something that you remember
> brought a headache or two?
>

I based mine entirely on 2nd edition Undocumented DOS and some info on C
TSRs (not redirectors) I found on the net.

I almost finished a version of vmsmount for VBox two or three years ago,
but I abandoned it because I lost interest. Now that you have a working
redirector, I see an opportunity to contribute to it. I'll mail you
privately to see if we can work it out. UTF-16 support and basic LFN
(mangling file names) come to mind.

Regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2235, Issue 2

2022-04-26 Thread Daniel
Has anyone looked into using x86Box as an alternative to vmware and
virtualbox to run FreeDOS and other old operating systems?


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> El lun, 25-04-2022 a las 17:32 -0700, jkendzi escribi?:
> > I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS
> > and my /home/documents folder.
> >
> > I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to
> > access a folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>
> Hello,
>
> I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
> client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work.
>
> See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/
> Or https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823
>
> It also includes a int33 mouse driver with VBox integration.
> (Note however that attempting to use it with FreeDOS' EDIT
> results in freezing the VirtualBox UI, since EDIT seems to be spamming
> the int33 hide/show cursor calls at very high frequency and the driver
> just forwards them directly to the VirtualBox UI. May need some rate
> limiting there. However it works with most other programs including
> MS's EDIT).
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Javier
On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 12:56 +0200, Eduardo Casino wrote:
> 
> It is correct that VMWare does not provide guest additions for DOS,
> that is why I developed vmsmount, which implements just the shared
> folders interface. 


Wow vmsmount code is very nice! One of the cleanest examples of a
redirector in Watcom C that I have seen. Wish I had seen this before.
The only other one I knew is EtherDFS. 

Add mine to the list of GPL Watcom C redirectors now, not as clean :)
https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/tree/sftsr.c
(Targeting VirtualBox, see the other email for details)

I actually based it on the 1st edition of Undocumented DOS aka Pascal,
not the 2nd...
Is there any DOS program you'd recommend to exercise uncommon/likely
broken functionality in a redirector? Something that you remember
brought a headache or two? 

For example for the SeekFromEnd() function I never found any DOS
program using it, so I also found no reason to implement it 
But Windows 9x does call it (even notepad crashes without it).

Thanks,
Javier.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Javier
El lun, 25-04-2022 a las 17:32 -0700, jkendzi escribió:
> I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS
> and my /home/documents folder.
> 
> I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to
> access a folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?

Hello,

I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work. 

See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/
Or https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823 

It also includes a int33 mouse driver with VBox integration.
(Note however that attempting to use it with FreeDOS' EDIT 
results in freezing the VirtualBox UI, since EDIT seems to be spamming
the int33 hide/show cursor calls at very high frequency and the driver
just forwards them directly to the VirtualBox UI. May need some rate
limiting there. However it works with most other programs including
MS's EDIT). 


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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Eduardo Casino
>
> Very terse. Me gusta mucho. :-)
>

I'm sorry, I did not mean to be rude.


> OK, so I think I was not technically wrong, VMware does not, *but*
> there is a way round it?
>

It is correct that VMWare does not provide guest additions for DOS, that is
why I developed vmsmount, which implements just the shared folders
interface.

Very useful info. Thank you!
>

You're welcome.

Regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Liam Proven
On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 12:25, Eduardo Casino  wrote:
>
>> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/vmsmount.html

Very terse. Me gusta mucho. :-)

OK, so I think I was not technically wrong, VMware does not, *but*
there is a way round it?

Very useful info. Thank you!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Eduardo Casino
> I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
>

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/vmsmount.html

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Eduardo

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Re: [Freedos-user] Shared folders in VirtualBox

2022-04-26 Thread Liam Proven
On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 02:34, jkendzi  wrote:
>
> I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS and my 
> /home/documents folder.
>
> I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to access a 
> folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?

I have spent a little time and effort on this, too.

My sad conclusion is that I don't think you can, directly. VBox will
only share folders with its own guest additions in the VM. If there
are no GAs, it won't share folders. There are no GAs for DOS.
Therefore, you can't share folders with a DOS guest.

(I would love to be shown to be wrong.)

Therefore, all you could do is to share the folders to your LAN with
your host OS, and install an SMB client (such as the MS LAN Manager
client, or the IBM DOS network client) into FreeDOS and connect it to
the LAN using VBox' bridged networking functionality.

Connectix' VirtualPC used to offer DOS guest additions, but it only
works on VirtualPC. VPC is freeware now, but only supports up to Win7
(with a hack to run on Win8).

I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.

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