Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
And for the record, I do my jobs just fine. www.curtainupdistribution.org Samples under both the harfeld artistry and common ground media program areas, of my radio work at least. If our goals resonate, consider donating. worth a tax write off in some countries.. Karen On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva wrote: Hi. Yes. For me i never worked with DOS machines... I don't know what kind of work you do/preform with DOS, since you're journalist, i assume you do a lot of writing and can't imagine you browsing website with html5, java script and so on. I don't know everything, something i would mind to know... could help more people. By the way i'm computer Tech., nowadays i do tech support by voip/presence on Hospital, replace some sdd, fried power supply. If i had to rank the OS it would be: PC-DOS 5/7 MS-DOS 6.22 FreeDOS Linux, Debian BeOS/Haiku Windows 95/98/XP/7/(10 with no internet) Obviously lot of people disagree with my choice and it's fine. I'll end saying this: I'm not diminishing you or your by using DOS or my choice to use Linux instead of Windows/Mac (to close for me, i have the need take things apart), i can do everything i need on Linux if i could with FreeDOS i was dual booting or "dual HDD" (not SSD). It's what get the job done and more efficient way. ...and thank you. On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:47???PM Karen Lewellen wrote: That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
What is with the off list messages? Ask on list, I will simply share them here anyway. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:16:05 + From: Joao Silva To: Karen Lewellen Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 Hi. Yes. For me i never worked with DOS machines... I don't know what kind of work you do/preform with DOS, since you're journalist, i assume you do a lot of writing and can't imagine you browsing website with html5, java script and so on. I don't know everything, something i would mind to know... could help more people. By the way i'm computer Tech., nowadays i do tech support by voip/presence on Hospital, replace some sdd, fried power supply. If i had to rank the OS it would be: PC-DOS 5/7 MS-DOS 6.22 FreeDOS Linux, Debian BeOS/Haiku Windows 95/98/XP/7/(10 with no internet) Obviously lot of people disagree with my choice and it's fine. I'll end saying this: I'm not diminishing you or your by using DOS or my choice to use Linux instead of Windows/Mac (to close for me, i have the need take things apart), i can do everything i need on Linux if i could with FreeDOS i was dual booting or "dual HDD" (not SSD). It's what get the job done and more efficient way. ...and thank you. On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:47???PM Karen Lewellen wrote: That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
That is your opinion, from your lived experience. For me, speaking personally, my machines running DOS are for me to work, connect with the outside world, read write and so forth. Its funny, the one thing I almost never do with my computers is play lol. Is it not terrific we can both get our needs met? Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Joao Silva via Freedos-user wrote: Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06???PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
Hello. Let me stick my nose in... MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play. My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't use it since 2004. In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is a no go, no sound. My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu... Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera, have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have graphical issues. Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices: stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to Linux/Windows/Mac I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand, not imposing what i think is best for me to other. If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and it's done... And thank you... On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06 PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has > an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, > I'd be fine with current generation hardware. > > > > On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Liam, > > I have a question about this advice? > > granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers > > built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. > > Perhaps that care makes a difference. > > However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing > > with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even > running > > an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. > > Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, > motherboards > > and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? > > Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater > care > > than many here with my hardware choices. > > Best, > > Karen > > > > > > > > On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse > and keyboard. > > > > > > No, it won't. > > > > > > But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: > > > > > > Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD > partition. > > > > > > On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and > > > emulation and things work better. > > > > > > -- > > > Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > > > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com > > > Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven > > > IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 > > > Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Freedos-user mailing list > > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
and that is fine for you...your point? On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, DAMON GRAY wrote: Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Liam, I have a question about this advice? granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. Perhaps that care makes a difference. However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care than many here with my hardware choices. Best, Karen On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user wrote: I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and keyboard. No, it won't. But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and emulation and things work better. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
Wow, I bow, salute, toast your brilliance here! Clearly you are owning the personal in personal computing with intelligence and skill. Why should someone not using your technology decide what is *modern* for you anyway? While this does not apply to my personal choices, I am so so thrilled reading how you are defining your own. The points you make about external services is an interesting one, and about keyboards..I might add security and privacy risks as well. If modern software creations also allow someone to create fake nude images of a person and plaster them anywhere? Exactly how does this modern advance, not limit technology in a positive way? Thanks for your wisdom! Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Thomas Cornelius Desi via Freedos-user wrote: Hi Michael, with great interest I was reading your thoughts about DOS. Let me add from my personal experience: The tech gap between DOS (FREEDOS) and WINDOWS/MAC honestly made me going back and forth between those OS options. I tried to make up my mind in the following way: What do I get from working on DOS? The answer in one word: SIMPLICITY I know: computers are complicated and complex by »nature«. But there is a level of accessibility which is till ok. It still »feels« simple. SIMPLICITY for me encompasses also »quiteness of mind« in the sense, that I don’t want to deal anymore with all those forced »updates« of OS and software. Plain »no«. Why? Because: I am only writing texts (prose), and I don’t want to deal with tech problems and feel plain stupid on a regular basis when those »updates« come in again. (Please bare with me, I am German native speaker) Writing text has been included in Computers maybe in the 1970ies or so… It isn’t what computers were invented for, we must not forget this. Since then, ALL POSSIBLE PROBLEMS of text authoring have been solved! This is why I immensely appreciate the FREEDOS project (Jim Hall ed.al thank you!) to adopt the DOS simplicity to some lightly modern compatibility (call it »USB«), I would say. Simplicity is to not have literally thousands of files somewhere digged into vast spaces of GIGA and TERA bytes of storage on my harddisk without have the faintest idea about that huge digital landfill. I don’t use a harddisk. I use one USB Stick per project, each one has the basic KERNEL and AUTEXEC.BAT on it, and each USB Stick has a different color and some description. My computer even does not start without a stick (!) Writing (drafting) is done with the »e 1.4« text editor of 7 kB (Yes: seven Kilobyte) by David Nye, MD, 1991 (!) ( see: https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse=1=E.Com=5 ) Revisioning is done with the excellent VDE Editor v197 (sic!), by Eric Meyer. Brillant piece of software! Never fails, no bugs, no crashes, no updates. With a version number that high, 197, am sure, problems have been sorted out a long time ago. And regarding USB/BIOS...: I use all sorts of Keyboards and Touchpads, Trackpads, a Foot-Pedal and I built my own keyboard, just to advance more on the ergonomic side which was neglected in the industry in order to please everybody on the consumer side. It is not the computer or the software that writes my texts, yes, true, but - - I found out that it is the modern OS (internet, cloud, ordinary office task, email, notifications etc etc) which interrupts, distracts and impedes my writing. My approach is not about nostalgia or an outlandish freak’n nerdism, but my refusing of the unnecessary. Basic take away: Computers should be much more specifically built to what they are used for. This »single task« metaphore is my motto. Why not re-read: "Small Is Beautiful: A Study of Economics As If People Mattered is a collection of essays« (1973 by E. F. Schumacher) Thomas On 27.02.2024, at 01:11, Michael Brutman via Freedos-user wrote: I'm just kind of amazed at what I read here at times. It is no secret that DOS is no longer a mainstream operating system. As a result, support for it on physical hardware is minimal, if it is supported at all. Modern machines are just not intended to be used with DOS as the primary, "bare metal" operating system. A lot of us are here because we like DOS but most of us don't try to force-fit into places where it doesn't work. When there is a better, supported solution for something it often makes more sense to use that instead of trying to make it work under DOS. There are many examples of things where DOS is great and even fun, but many more examples where DOS is not a suitable solution. This isn't controversial or hostile. It is reality. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2
Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise, I'd be fine with current generation hardware. > On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user > wrote: > > > Hi Liam, > I have a question about this advice? > granted, I have made no secret of my using, having specific computers > built to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware. > Perhaps that care makes a difference. > However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing > with a USB keyboard. I have experienced no problems, am not even running > an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the bios. > Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies, motherboards > and the like that can lead to comparative results for them? > Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I take greater care > than many here with my hardware choices. > Best, > Karen > > > > On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse and > >> keyboard. > > > > No, it won't. > > > > But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this: > > > > Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD partition. > > > > On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and > > emulation and things work better. > > > > -- > > Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com > > Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven > > IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 > > Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2 (fwd)
Hi Michael, with great interest I was reading your thoughts about DOS. Let me add from my personal experience: The tech gap between DOS (FREEDOS) and WINDOWS/MAC honestly made me going back and forth between those OS options. I tried to make up my mind in the following way: What do I get from working on DOS? The answer in one word: SIMPLICITY I know: computers are complicated and complex by »nature«. But there is a level of accessibility which is till ok. It still »feels« simple. SIMPLICITY for me encompasses also »quiteness of mind« in the sense, that I don’t want to deal anymore with all those forced »updates« of OS and software. Plain »no«. Why? Because: I am only writing texts (prose), and I don’t want to deal with tech problems and feel plain stupid on a regular basis when those »updates« come in again. (Please bare with me, I am German native speaker) Writing text has been included in Computers maybe in the 1970ies or so… It isn’t what computers were invented for, we must not forget this. Since then, ALL POSSIBLE PROBLEMS of text authoring have been solved! This is why I immensely appreciate the FREEDOS project (Jim Hall ed.al thank you!) to adopt the DOS simplicity to some lightly modern compatibility (call it »USB«), I would say. Simplicity is to not have literally thousands of files somewhere digged into vast spaces of GIGA and TERA bytes of storage on my harddisk without have the faintest idea about that huge digital landfill. I don’t use a harddisk. I use one USB Stick per project, each one has the basic KERNEL and AUTEXEC.BAT on it, and each USB Stick has a different color and some description. My computer even does not start without a stick (!) Writing (drafting) is done with the »e 1.4« text editor of 7 kB (Yes: seven Kilobyte) by David Nye, MD, 1991 (!) ( see: https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse=1=E.Com=5 ) Revisioning is done with the excellent VDE Editor v197 (sic!), by Eric Meyer. Brillant piece of software! Never fails, no bugs, no crashes, no updates. With a version number that high, 197, am sure, problems have been sorted out a long time ago. And regarding USB/BIOS...: I use all sorts of Keyboards and Touchpads, Trackpads, a Foot-Pedal and I built my own keyboard, just to advance more on the ergonomic side which was neglected in the industry in order to please everybody on the consumer side. It is not the computer or the software that writes my texts, yes, true, but - - I found out that it is the modern OS (internet, cloud, ordinary office task, email, notifications etc etc) which interrupts, distracts and impedes my writing. My approach is not about nostalgia or an outlandish freak’n nerdism, but my refusing of the unnecessary. Basic take away: Computers should be much more specifically built to what they are used for. This »single task« metaphore is my motto. Why not re-read: "Small Is Beautiful: A Study of Economics As If People Mattered is a collection of essays« (1973 by E. F. Schumacher) Thomas > On 27.02.2024, at 01:11, Michael Brutman via Freedos-user > wrote: > > I'm just kind of amazed at what I read here at times. > > It is no secret that DOS is no longer a mainstream operating system. As a > result, support for it on physical hardware is minimal, if it is supported at > all. Modern machines are just not intended to be used with DOS as the > primary, "bare metal" operating system. > > A lot of us are here because we like DOS but most of us don't try to > force-fit into places where it doesn't work. When there is a better, > supported solution for something it often makes more sense to use that > instead of trying to make it work under DOS. There are many examples of > things where DOS is great and even fun, but many more examples where DOS is > not a suitable solution. > > This isn't controversial or hostile. It is reality. > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
