Re: [Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-24 Thread Marti van Lin
Ray Davison schreef:
 Eric Auer wrote:
 This happens because you selected a package which tries to
 use the internet to download further files.

Sorry guys, that I denied this topic, but this sounds somewhat strange 
to me, since I was able to successfully install FreeDOS 1.0, (the full 
Blair distribution), without a Internet connection at all.

I admit that the post install script, starts complaining about a NIC and 
keeps on searching for a DHCP handshake, but you can simply deny that.

I even changed my 3COM Etherlink III ISA NIC for a Realtec based PCI NIC 
later and was able to set it up without a glitch, using Georg Potthast's 
  Nicscan:

http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm

Don't worry, just stay cool, since as far as I concern, FreeDOS/OpenGEM 
  simply works great. My advice is, if the installer starts complaining, 
just ignore it.

And no, I'm not one of the coders, just an ordinary (l)user ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-23 Thread Ray Davison
Eric Auer wrote:
 
 This happens because you selected a package which tries to
 use the internet to download further files.

TY.  If install is unable to create an Internet connection, why does it 
try to use one?  The machine was physically connected to the router at 
the time.

The install seems to be subdivided by functional area, and that is good. 
  But, is there any way to skip an entire page without unchecking each 
individual item?

A description of the page as a whole and a skip-page choice would be good.

Ray


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Re: [Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-23 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Ray,

 If install is unable to create an Internet connection, why does it
 try to use one?  The machine was physically connected to the router
 at the time.

Because the installer does not think enough. I guess it would not
even exclude attempts to connect if your system had no network card.
But then, the attempt would probably fail instead of waiting forever.

I think especially DOS computers should not be assumed to be online
during install anyway - you can add download further nonfree drivers
as an option, but it should not be active by default, not even if you
select install everything. Compare to Ubuntu: Nonfree stuff is not
on there by default either, even though many users do probably want to
use the closed source ATI or nVidia graphics drivers :-).

 install seems to be subdivided by functional area, and that is good.

Yes, a handfull areas. Might be subdivided a bit more but is quite
okay as it is now...

 is there any way to skip an entire page without unchecking each
 individual item?

There should be an option uncheck all, right. But the only thing
that I know for now is that you have install options such as base
or all defined in terms of which pages are installed, plus in
addition each page has a default set of selected choices. So what
you / we can do is to make a third set (beyond BASE and FULL) which
excludes a page of manual add-ons, possibly with a setting show
the page but with all choices unchecked. It would be nice if you
or an installer expert as Bernd or Blair could browse through the
installer config files to find out how this can be best implemented.

 description of the page as a whole and a skip-page choice would be good.

As said, a button uncheck all would work just as well :-)

Or of course some manual way to select which pages to use,
maybe this already exists in some yet unused config option?
Did you try all menu items which sound like custom install?

Eric



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[Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-22 Thread Ray Davison
FreeDOS 1.0 CD

Page says;
Wattcp.cfg Setup Menu

It hangs at:
Configuring through DHCP...

I would skip this section if I knew how.

Ideas?

Ray

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Re: [Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-22 Thread Ray Davison
Ray Davison wrote:
 FreeDOS 1.0 CD
 
Also, the make boot floppy item, didn't.  It just took a readable disk 
and made it unreadable.  The disk was in A:, and it complained that it 
couldn't read old info off B:

Ray

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Re: [Freedos-user] 1.0 CD install hang

2007-08-22 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Ray,

 FreeDOS 1.0 CD
 Wattcp.cfg Setup Menu
 It hangs at:
 Configuring through DHCP...

This happens because you selected a package which tries to
use the internet to download further files. It is a bit
silly that the installer does not warn you about that. See:

http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall

You can find a list of internet-using packages here:

http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies

From the dependencies page:

The following packages need internet connection DURING INSTALL, cdrtool
only indirectly because it recommends ASPI install:

* fprot wattcp (fprot antivirus UTIL, big download)
* aspi wget (aspi DRIVER)
* scsi wget (scsi DRIVER)
* usbdos wget (usb DRIVER, device detection can be very slow)
* via wget (via sound DRIVER)

Those only RECOMMEND packages which require internet during install:

* cdrtool cwsdpmi (cdrecord and related MEDIA tools)
* cdrtool dfl zisofs aspi
* dfl cdrtool (file linker UTIL for cdrecord)

The following packages are internet related, but Lynx, Arachne, HXRT and
Lnxsmal are also useful without internet:

* crynwr (the network packet DRIVER(s), card detection can be slow)
* wget wattcp
* fdstpop wattcp
* bsflite cwsdpmi wattcp
* lnxsmal lynx lynxexx
* lynx cwsdpmi wattcp gnufile
* lynx mouskey lynxex lnxsmal
* openxp cwsdpmi wattcp tar gzip
* vnc wattcp
* hxrt wattcp
* wattcp cwsdpmi crynwr (network, detection can be slow)
* arachne cwsdpmi crynwr

Various other dependencies - note that OWATCOM is very big:

* xharbor owatcom
...
* fdpkg infozip or 7zip, and command or 4dos
* opengem ctmouse choice infozip fdapm
...

If you want a smaller but almost complete install, avoid: OpenWatcom C/C++
(owatcom), XHarbour (xharbor), kraptor, doom, vi (vimrt/vim16/vim32),
maybe FreePascal (fpascal) Then you might even manage to install on less
than 100 MB ;-)


Eric



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