Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-02-07 Thread Blair Campbell
They're the same as in linux, except not widely supported. All applications built with DJGPP 2.04+ support them. On 1/30/07, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blair Campbell escreveu: What about Blair's RTL? and it also has LFN... And symlinks :-) What are symlinks in DOS? I know of

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-30 Thread Blair Campbell
On 1/19/07, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: For applications, RTL usually is inherent part, so comparing RTLs (which also compiled by compilers) together _is_ relevant. On the other side, given examples make bias point - you may now enough to bias

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-30 Thread Alain M.
Blair Campbell escreveu: What about Blair's RTL? and it also has LFN... And symlinks :-) What are symlinks in DOS? I know of them in Linux, and as part of the OS not the RTL... Alain - Take Surveys. Earn Cash.

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 18-Янв-2007 11:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? J In Open Watcom just the 32bit C(++) compiler and WD are pretty good. The rest J is of mixed quality. J With optimisation on MSVC CL.EXE

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Japheth
May you show examples? Starting from minimal void main(){}, then with printf(Hello, world!\n), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: a dummy main and a hello world main are utterly irrelevant if you want to compare size/speed optimisations (leaving CRT aside). A complex sample is

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Japheth, May you show examples? Starting from minimal void main(){}, then with printf(Hello, world!\n), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: a dummy main and a hello world main are utterly irrelevant if you want to compare size/speed optimisations (leaving CRT aside). right

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Arkady, [PS: I am still looking for people who can help with reviewing my 2035c versus 2036 diff report, thanks!] type test1.c void main () {} wcl test1.c wcc TEST1.C wlink @__wcl__.lnk type test2.c #include stdio.h void main () { printf (Hello, world!\n); } ... TEST1EXE

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 19-Янв-2007 15:09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: May you show examples? Starting from minimal void main(){}, then with printf(Hello, world!\n), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: J a dummy main and a hello world main are utterly

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Japheth
How much? MS VC is 6% better than OW, both optimizing for size. OW is not bad, especially if comparing MSVC with TC, where MSVC is 25% better. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 17-Янв-2007 17:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: J I own MS VC 1.5 which runs in DOS with the Phar Lab TNT DOS Extender. J IMO it is the best 16-bit C(++) optimising compiler :) Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas?

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread gmjimen
Norbert Remmel wrote: is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler which can be run under plain DOS? May be you can use DJGPP: http://www.delorie.com/ Guillermo Ñuño Martínez - Take Surveys.

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread Japheth
Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? In Open Watcom just the 32bit C(++) compiler and WD are pretty good. The rest is of mixed quality. With optimisation on MSVC CL.EXE beats OW WCC.EXE significantly both in speed and binary size (not counting the CRT part). One

[Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Norbert Remmel
Hi, is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler which can be run under plain DOS? Regards Norbert. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Stegozor
Norbert Remmel wrote: is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler which can be run under plain DOS? If no one has an early Microsoft C compiler maybe http://www.desmet-c.com/ could help in some way. Good luck.

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Japheth
I own MS VC 1.5 which runs in DOS with the Phar Lab TNT DOS Extender. IMO it is the best 16-bit C(++) optimising compiler :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Blair Campbell
DeSmet C is actually quite different than any of the other DOS compilers available. I would not recommend it if you are trying to compile existing source code, becuase its standard library lacks many of the extensions that DOS programmers (and even POSIX programmers) take for granted, like

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread tomleem
Norbert Remmel wrote: Hi, is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler which can be run under plain DOS? Regards Norbert. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join