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Hi Rugxulo, > You're smart, you're a reasonable person. So why are you shutting down > emotionally over this? Is it too stressful for you? Don't tell me I'm > more patient than you are, I don't believe it. It's just not > reasonable to ignore every problem, pretending that it will go away. It

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Hi again, On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > >> He doesn't know the meaning of joy. > > Reading this thread sucks any joy from me. Jim, I'm sorry you had to endure this (again). > Why is

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On 11/17/2017 4:45 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > [..] > > Reading this thread sucks any joy from me. > > Why is this thread still alive? > > Jack doesn't like FreeDOS, he doesn't release his drivers so that > FreeDOS users can use them - and Jack's drivers are proprietary, so we > cannot include them in

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On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Rugxulo wrote: Jack does update drivers because he is a perfectionist, >>> >>> What good is a perfect painting if no one will see it? Why bake a >>> gourmet meal and then throw it away? >> >> Maybe he's working on it for his own joy? > >

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Hi, Robert, On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Robert Riebisch wrote: > >>> Jack does update drivers because he is a perfectionist, >> >> What good is a perfect painting if no one will see it? Why bake a >> gourmet meal and then throw it away? > > Maybe he's working on it

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Hi Rugxulo, >> Jack does update drivers because he is a perfectionist, > > What good is a perfect painting if no one will see it? Why bake a > gourmet meal and then throw it away? Maybe he's working on it for his own joy? > I don't know, but I tried. I really tried to solve the situation. I >

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Hi again, On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > > 3). https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html > > "What is free software? > > 'Free software' means software that respects users' freedom and > community. Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to

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> What do these "Jack's Drivers" actually do? nothing as they no longer work on FreeDOS. btw: NEVER fullquote. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org!

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Hi, On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Gregg Eshelman via Freedos-user wrote: > > What do these "Jack's Drivers" actually do? Waste everyone's time. (Just use Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux ...!) (further response to Eric Auer inlined below) > On Friday,

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Hi Gregg, > What do these "Jack's Drivers" actually do? RDISK: Ramdisk UDVD2: CD / DVD low-level drivers, UDMA, cache via UHDD UHDD: fast UDMA disk I/O, cache (harddisk/SSD/CD/DVD) XMGR: XMS / HMA memory driver All drivers are optimized for low consumption of DOS memory, while they can use

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What do these "Jack's Drivers" actually do? On Friday, November 17, 2017, 1:59:11 AM MST, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Rugxulo, you are not going to make Jack any more kind by publicly sharing all private email details of your private fight... Jack does update drivers

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Hi Rugxulo, you are not going to make Jack any more kind by publicly sharing all private email details of your private fight... Jack does update drivers because he is a perfectionist, but he is also known for not liking the FreeDOS community (including in particular you) so it is no surprise

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Hi, On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Robert Riebisch wrote: > >> For anyone relatively new to the FreeDOS email lists, Jack's drivers come up >> every once in a while. It's mainly because he obsessively updates them, and he craves attention (despite being banned), even

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Hi Jim, > For anyone relatively new to the FreeDOS email lists, Jack's drivers > come up every once in a while. Jack writes good code, but he tends to > get very upset very quickly, and then lashes out at people. He has > brought a lot of ill will here. It's no surprise that Jack keeps > adding

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> On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:58:30 -0500, Jerome Shidel wrote: > >> Shouldn't take much. > > > > Correct, but if your going to calculate stuff, should be accurate. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Also, whoever would take on doing this semi-pointless

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On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:58:30 -0500, Jerome Shidel wrote: >> Shouldn't take much. > > Correct, but if your going to calculate stuff, should be accurate. Also, whoever would take on doing this semi-pointless task, should remember to take cluster size into account, since disk space occupied by an

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>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Robert Riebisch wrote: >> >> Hi Jerome, >> >> I gave a lot of thought to the issue of “Installed” and “required” free >> space for the batch based FDI in FreeDOS 1.2. With the amount of additional >> overhead and complexity it would

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Hi Jerome, > I gave a lot of thought to the issue of “Installed” and “required” free space > for the batch based FDI in FreeDOS 1.2. With the amount of additional > overhead and complexity it would require, I decided it was not worth the > effort at present. > > Base size, > Base + sources

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I gave a lot of thought to the issue of “Installed” and “required” free space for the batch based FDI in FreeDOS 1.2. With the amount of additional overhead and complexity it would require, I decided it was not worth the effort at present. Base size, Base + sources size, Full size, Full+

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Hi, > Don't take all this so serious. Please. I simply was caught by surprise > that the FreeDOS distribution was so big. And you know how it is, you > install something and when it asks you "Do you want this?" you say, > "Okay, why not?!?" Last time I ran DOS or FreeDOS is years ago: Doesn't

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The guy produced PIXEL dos by recompiling it as a dos program from a windows program as a demo. The demo was so very good that I offered him $500 to do a full dos version. He declined; said he doesn't do dos. He had a full version at one time, destroyed it because it was dos - not worth keeping.

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On Mon, 06 Nov 2017 14:55:53 +0100, Tom Ehlert wrote: > AND READ, competent programmers could have ported the kernel to GCC, > with some time left to save the planet, and fight for peace on earth. A competent programmer would NEVER fight for peace on earth. He would rather write a function

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during the time that all the contributions in this thread were written AND READ, competent programmers could have ported the kernel to GCC, with some time left to save the planet, and fight for peace on earth. just my 2 cents. Tom

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Hi, On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > You might list dos payfor software, a link to it, price , > and user rating. If people get paid there might be more > activity in some types of sofware. I have a dos version > of PIXEL, looks just like windows. My

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Hi, On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > I helped JP Software with the source code release to 4DOS, and the > license was my greatest mistake in open source software. > > In retrospect, I should have stuck to my original suggestion to use the GNU > GPL. You

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Hi, On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 10:58 AM, wrote: > > svarog386 is a good idea, but I would prefer to install the official FreeDOS > distro and than add software from something like deb-multimedia in the > Debian world. Again, the keyword is trust. The FSF won't even link to

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There are already several replies to this which I haven't read yet. So I might be missing or repeating something. But I'm going to reply anyways. On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, wrote: > > I understand that the development of FreeDOS needs to be free as in freedom > as

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You might list dos payfor software, a link to it, price , and user rating. If people get paid there might be more activity in some types of sofware. I have a dos version of PIXEL, looks just like windows. My copy is crippled but I'd be happy to buy a full version if it every exists. Put some money

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>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: >>> Isn't that exactly what JPSoftware did with 4DOS? >>> And speaking of it, 4DOS isn't free - it is specifically restricted to >>> FreeDOS, which makes it non-free. >>> > On 2017-11-05 01:48, geneb wrote: >> Which is basically nonsense

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On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, wrote: > What I'm saying is that you might consider allowing additional software, > either in the main distribution, or - which would be even better: to allow > the addition of easy to set-up additional repositories, so that users can >

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On 2017-11-05 19:32, Mateusz Viste wrote: On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:58:54 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: The truth is I don't have the time nor the resources. Sorry. For someone with no time you sure write awfully long mails. Might be time better spent doing actual stuff. I type fast... ;-) But,

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On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:58:54 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: > The truth is I don't have the time nor the resources. Sorry. For someone with no time you sure write awfully long mails. Might be time better spent doing actual stuff. > svarog386 is a good idea, but I would prefer to install the official

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Am 2017-11-05 um 16:55 schrieb Mateusz Viste: On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:48:00 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: What I'm saying is that you might consider allowing additional software, either in the main distribution, or - which would be even better: to allow the addition of easy to set-up additional

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On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:48:00 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: > What I'm saying is that you might consider allowing additional software, > either in the main distribution, or - which would be even better: to > allow the addition of easy to set-up additional repositories This has been possible for years

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Hi! On 2017-11-05 00:48, Jim Hall wrote: On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:09:48 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: I'm also thinking that FreeDOS should include a not-so-free and even a non-free section of software. The only limit should be restriction of redistribution. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Mateusz

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On 2017-11-05 01:48, geneb wrote: On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: Isn't that exactly what JPSoftware did with 4DOS? And speaking of it, 4DOS isn't free - it is specifically restricted to FreeDOS, which makes it non-free. Which is basically nonsense because the person that

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Hi, (I feel like I'm turning into Linus Torvalds. Apologies to him for the comparison.) On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > if umbpci and xmgr run more stable than jemm386, in particular > regarding umb range autodetection, then it is no surprise that >

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On Sat, 4 Nov 2017, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: Isn't that exactly what JPSoftware did with 4DOS? And speaking of it, 4DOS isn't free - it is specifically restricted to FreeDOS, which makes it non-free. Which is basically nonsense because the person that released the software

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> On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:09:48 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: >> I'm also thinking that FreeDOS should include a not-so-free and even a >> non-free section of software. The only limit should be restriction of >> redistribution. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Mateusz Viste

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> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote: > > the wishes of the owners of the respective intellectual property have to be > > respected. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > Just because a disgruntled developer is angry

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On 11/4/2017 2:01 PM, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: > > Well, I don't remember the exact partitioning, but I think that 40 MB > for each DOS and the rest for Linux was what I could have done. And I > also repartitioned for a bigger FreeDOS, but then work came along. > > To take your car example:

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512 meg? Luxury! My first hard drive was FIVE megabytes. A full height 5.25" MFM made by Tandon. I installed MS-DOS (3.1 IIRC) and all the software I had, mostly games. It was *half full*! Then I backed it up, onto 360K floppies. By the time I put the last disk on the stack, I was thinking

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On 2017-11-04 21:47, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Rugxulo, if umbpci and xmgr run more stable than jemm386, in particular regarding umb range autodetection, then it is no surprise that Dimitris is happy about those :-) And you remember how long ago Japheth stopped maintenance and support for jemm386 and

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On 2017-11-04 21:23, Ralf Quint wrote: On 11/4/2017 12:06 PM, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: I did install a couple of software too. What good is DOS without programs, right? But even deselecting the compilers and the GUI it didn't fit. I wanted to select only really relevant packages next, but

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Hi Rugxulo, if umbpci and xmgr run more stable than jemm386, in particular regarding umb range autodetection, then it is no surprise that Dimitris is happy about those :-) And you remember how long ago Japheth stopped maintenance and support for jemm386 and how hard it is to improve memory

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On 11/4/2017 12:06 PM, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: > > I did install a couple of software too. What good is DOS without > programs, right? But even deselecting the compilers and the GUI it > didn't fit. I wanted to select only really relevant packages next, but > work called and I had to stop

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On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:09:48 +0100, userbeitrag wrote: > I'm also thinking that FreeDOS should include a not-so-free and even a > non-free section of software. The only limit should be restriction of > redistribution. I'm afraid this is contrary to the FreeDOS spirit. That being said, there is

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Hello! On 2017-11-04 16:02, Dale E Sterner wrote: I don't believe that freedos should be restricted to only open software but should promote anything that improves dos, like QV which is closed but great dos software. DOS is on the edge of extinction and needs all the help it can get. Owner of

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Hi! On 2017-11-04 18:02, Ralf Quint wrote: On 11/4/2017 4:58 AM, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: I too have a couple of old 486 systems and recently also two 286 laptops (yeah!) but I wasn't yet able to install FreeDOS on them. The first reason being that my first project, a desktop 486,

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On 11/4/2017 4:58 AM, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote: > > I too have a couple of old 486 systems and recently also two 286 > laptops (yeah!) but I wasn't yet able to install FreeDOS on them. The > first reason being that my first project, a desktop 486, doesn't have > a CD-ROM drive and, natually,

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Hi, On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:58 AM, wrote: > > On 2017-11-04, 11:41, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote: >> >> There some bad heated past definitely which hopefully will be cooled down by >> time Have you actually *tried* his latest drivers on FreeDOS proper?? If not, then why

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here here On 11/04/2017 08:02 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: I don't believe that freedos should be restricted to only open software but should promote anything that improves dos, like QV which is closed but great dos software. DOS is on the edge of extinction and needs all the help it can get.

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I don't believe that freedos should be restricted to only open software but should promote anything that improves dos, like QV which is closed but great dos software. DOS is on the edge of extinction and needs all the help it can get. Owner of closed softwre could be asked to include the source in

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Thank you, it is in my to do list to try them it is just limited personal time - it takes lot of effort to revive retro systems and getting a working DOS is only part of the challenge. Sometimes newer software such as FreeDOS or Jack's drivers save a lot of time to get things working and the job

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Hi! On 2017-11-04, 11:41, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote: Hi, There some bad heated past definitely which hopefully will be cooled down by time but ultimately like I said, there is a number of dos era systems that people like myself may want to use with FreeDOS and Jack's drivers are an option to do

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Hi, There some bad heated past definitely which hopefully will be cooled down by time but ultimately like I said, there is a number of dos era systems that people like myself may want to use with FreeDOS and Jack's drivers are an option to do that when available for use - in my case for example

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Hi, On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote: > > the wishes of the owners of the respective intellectual property have to be > respected. Personal opinion does not invalidate the law, and a so-called license is only valid if it doesn't contradict the system

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Hi, Tom, On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > > even closed, unfree, paid for software usually comes with a link so I > can find more description (rather then 'more fail-safe 386 XMS move'), > download it, see fee ( '25$ per PC'), limitations ('not for

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On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 00:17:18 +, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote: > Jack's drivers are required on a number of dos-era systems else FreeDOS > will not even install/boot. If it won't install nor boot, then how would you use any drivers in the first place? Any bug reports? > Being unable to use

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Hi, Jack's drivers are required on a number of dos-era systems else FreeDOS will not even install/boot. Being unable to use FreeDOS is annoying but a working system is needed and the wishes of the owners of the respective intellectual property have to be respected. Cheers, Dimitris On Fri, Nov

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On 11/3/2017 7:19 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > > just as a tiny side note: > > I am only aware of 2 persons THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOUT. > Jack and the american president. > +1 :-P Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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> Also, did you know that UMBPCI is actively maintained > and more reliable in finding out which areas can be > used for UMB etc. than JEMM / JEMM386? So it can be > a good idea to use explicit EMM options based on what > UMBPCI detected: This avoids more conflicts than the > easier method of

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Dear Eric, > Hi :-) Quick news from Jack's drivers: He has a closed > source update for XMGR (more fail-safe 386 XMS move) > and UHDD: The new UHDD has the interesting feature of > read-ahead for cache sizes of at least 20 MB. It is > a simplified version without I/O overlap and DOS RAM > search

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On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:23:55 +0100, Eric Auer wrote: >>> Quick news from /dev/null 's drivers: [etc. rant etc.] > > In short, you said "nag nag nag" ;-) While it's obviously true that Rugxulo have some ranting issues, I don't see any reason to promote proprietary software on the FreeDOS list

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Hi Rugxulo, >> Quick news from /dev/null 's drivers: [etc. rant etc.] In short, you said "nag nag nag" ;-) The features might still be interesting to test. Nobody suggested to include any closed source in any distro. Eric

[Freedos-user] Some driver updates

Hi :-) Quick news from Jack's drivers: He has a closed source update for XMGR (more fail-safe 386 XMS move) and UHDD: The new UHDD has the interesting feature of read-ahead for cache sizes of at least 20 MB. It is a simplified version without I/O overlap and DOS RAM search table location and "/G"