Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Andrew Robins
I haven't resurrected my FreeDOS projects for a while, but some time ago 
(years?!) I posted about my intent to work on a "FreeDOS 4 Kids" project, 
recycling old, Pentium-era laptops.

I think I discussed the functionality of Ronald Blankendaal's (re DBGL) most 
excellent dos GUI "Access" for providing a simple but effective menu system for 
young hands and eyes to operate - far superior to OpenGEM and many other dos 
GUI's (and I worked through loads that were published open-source online, back 
in the day). In our Toshiba 430CDS, *16mb* RAM, it could boot into FreeDOS 1.1 
in around 11 seconds (!!) and the kids could go straight into "Pepper's 
Adventures in Time", "Loom" and loads of Sierra/LucasArts/etc etc titles. Mind 
- I was using either a CF- or SD-card ATA adapter to get these performances, 
but could fit over 100 classic dos games on a 2GB card, plus the OS. The 
classic games in their native environment (practically) - what's not to love? :)

So at present the 430cds sits waiting "new" parts, along with a collection of 
Rocky II 586RT and 686RT military laptops with clunky - but backlit - rubber 
keys and high-quality outdoor screens. Although I have publicly ruminated about 
these plans here and elsewhere (particularly the Murga Puppy Linux forums - 
vale John Murga), life keeps getting in the way...

The upshot is - to use perfectly serviceable (definitions may vary) laptops for 
classic gaming, original (?) SB16 support etc, I don't think anything really 
compares - not for all the VM and DOSBox environment efforts. And the recent 
resurgence in 16-bit -type games - in spite of all the technological advances - 
points to the value placed in well-written games and importance of substance 
over style. The real bonus for me is giving the global trend in wastrel, 
throwaway consumerism the royally big *thumbs down*

my 2c

 



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Joao Silva wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Well I haven't done anything with it yet, but it will be for games and some 
> programs (a games is a program).
> 
> Games,  nice old games, cool games the bring some old memories and time well 
> spent.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:42 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:
>> Hi Jamie!
>> 
>> > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Hi and welcome Jamie!
>> > 
>> >> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10
>> > 
>> > That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
>> > case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
>> > load the right drivers, long file name support.
>> > 
>> > If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
>> > BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
>> > kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
>> > for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.
>> > 
>> > As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
>> > list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
>> > you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
>> > revision number and a pointer to the version string.
>> > 
>> > Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
>> > of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.
>> > 
>> > An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
>> > int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
>> > Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.
>> > 
>> > Cheers, Eric
>> 
>> 
>> Yup, what he said… :-)
>> 
>> If for some reason you actually need the release version number,
>> starting with FreeDOS 1.2, under the %DOSDIR% the installer 
>> creates a VERSION.FDI file that contains that information.
>> 
>> This assumes the user did not delete this file. Also, the 
>> boot configuration file (FDAUTO.BAT) sets an environment
>> variable %OS_VERSION%. Which also assumes the 
>> user does not remove it.
>> 
>> At present, there is no guaranteed method to get the 
>> “distro” release version. For the most part, it doesn’t matter
>> all that much what “distro” release a user is running anyway.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> Jerome
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Joao Silva
Hi!

Well I haven't done anything with it yet, but it will be for games and some
programs (a games is a program).

Games,  nice old games, cool games the bring some old memories and time
well spent.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:42 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Hi Jamie!
>
> > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi and welcome Jamie!
> >
> >> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10
> >
> > That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
> > case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
> > load the right drivers, long file name support.
> >
> > If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
> > BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
> > kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
> > for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.
> >
> > As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
> > list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
> > you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
> > revision number and a pointer to the version string.
> >
> > Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
> > of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.
> >
> > An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
> > int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
> > Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.
> >
> > Cheers, Eric
>
>
> Yup, what he said… :-)
>
> If for some reason you actually need the release version number,
> starting with FreeDOS 1.2, under the %DOSDIR% the installer
> creates a VERSION.FDI file that contains that information.
>
> This assumes the user did not delete this file. Also, the
> boot configuration file (FDAUTO.BAT) sets an environment
> variable %OS_VERSION%. Which also assumes the
> user does not remove it.
>
> At present, there is no guaranteed method to get the
> “distro” release version. For the most part, it doesn’t matter
> all that much what “distro” release a user is running anyway.
>
> :-)
>
> Jerome
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Jamie!

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi and welcome Jamie!
> 
>> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10
> 
> That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
> case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
> load the right drivers, long file name support.
> 
> If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
> BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
> kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
> for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.
> 
> As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
> list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
> you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
> revision number and a pointer to the version string.
> 
> Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
> of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.
> 
> An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
> int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
> Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.
> 
> Cheers, Eric


Yup, what he said… :-)

If for some reason you actually need the release version number,
starting with FreeDOS 1.2, under the %DOSDIR% the installer 
creates a VERSION.FDI file that contains that information.

This assumes the user did not delete this file. Also, the 
boot configuration file (FDAUTO.BAT) sets an environment
variable %OS_VERSION%. Which also assumes the 
user does not remove it.

At present, there is no guaranteed method to get the 
“distro” release version. For the most part, it doesn’t matter
all that much what “distro” release a user is running anyway.

:-)

Jerome




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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Eric Auer


Hi and welcome Jamie!

> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10

That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
load the right drivers, long file name support.

If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.

As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
revision number and a pointer to the version string.

Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.

An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.

Cheers, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Jamie Le Tual
I'm new to this party as well. I'm using it to learn x86 assembler and DOS
function calls.
just wrote a program in assembler that outputs the version number as
reported by dos, all in a slim 87 bytes.
Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10

Still in the midst of setting up a fully equipped development environment
to my liking ;)


On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 11:25, Johnpaul Humphrey  wrote:

> I multiboot FreeDOS on my modern laptop alongside linux, Plan 9, and BSD.
> It is by far the fastest OS I have used. What do I do? I run Ability
> Office (No cost but non-free :( ), OpenGEM, and edit, or elvis when I
> am needing more power. I do a little programming. I also boot into DOS
> when I need a distraction free environment (non-multitasking.) With
> GEM, I have to boot DOS in safe mode, because otherwise I will get a
> blank white screen. I am new to DOS, but I am into old software, so it
> is already taken an important place on my hard-disk.
> I haven't set it up with interent, it is sort of my "digital
> monastary" if you know what I mean.
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 3:27 AM Dean Galloway 
> wrote:
> >
> > I set my Freedos machine up as a GOPHER client.
> >
> > I know a lot of folks use virtual machines for Freedos, but I'm kind of
> > partial to the physical device sitting in the corner.
> >
> > I've had limited success with web browsing and am yet to find an email
> > client that supports IMAP.
> >
> > Never was much of a game player.
> >
> > On 12/4/2020 11:01 PM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
> > > G'day Marv:
> > >> I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe
> > >> other newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs.
> > >
> > > At the moment, nothing; I'm waiting for a sore foot to heal before
> > > using an old Polar heart-monitor.
> > >
> > >> I was thinking of utility type things that are easier or more quickly
> > >> done in DOS, but I'm wide open to any ideas.
> > > Apart from that old application, all I ever did was play Hangman!
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Johnpaul Humphrey
I multiboot FreeDOS on my modern laptop alongside linux, Plan 9, and BSD.
It is by far the fastest OS I have used. What do I do? I run Ability
Office (No cost but non-free :( ), OpenGEM, and edit, or elvis when I
am needing more power. I do a little programming. I also boot into DOS
when I need a distraction free environment (non-multitasking.) With
GEM, I have to boot DOS in safe mode, because otherwise I will get a
blank white screen. I am new to DOS, but I am into old software, so it
is already taken an important place on my hard-disk.
I haven't set it up with interent, it is sort of my "digital
monastary" if you know what I mean.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 3:27 AM Dean Galloway  wrote:
>
> I set my Freedos machine up as a GOPHER client.
>
> I know a lot of folks use virtual machines for Freedos, but I'm kind of
> partial to the physical device sitting in the corner.
>
> I've had limited success with web browsing and am yet to find an email
> client that supports IMAP.
>
> Never was much of a game player.
>
> On 12/4/2020 11:01 PM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
> > G'day Marv:
> >> I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe
> >> other newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs.
> >
> > At the moment, nothing; I'm waiting for a sore foot to heal before
> > using an old Polar heart-monitor.
> >
> >> I was thinking of utility type things that are easier or more quickly
> >> done in DOS, but I'm wide open to any ideas.
> > Apart from that old application, all I ever did was play Hangman!
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-06 Thread Dean Galloway

I set my Freedos machine up as a GOPHER client.

I know a lot of folks use virtual machines for Freedos, but I'm kind of 
partial to the physical device sitting in the corner.


I've had limited success with web browsing and am yet to find an email 
client that supports IMAP.


Never was much of a game player.

On 12/4/2020 11:01 PM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:

G'day Marv:
I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe 
other newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs.


At the moment, nothing; I'm waiting for a sore foot to heal before 
using an old Polar heart-monitor.


I was thinking of utility type things that are easier or more quickly 
done in DOS, but I'm wide open to any ideas.

Apart from that old application, all I ever did was play Hangman!



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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread Bryan Kilgallin

G'day Marv:
I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe 
other newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs.


At the moment, nothing; I'm waiting for a sore foot to heal before using 
an old Polar heart-monitor.


I was 
thinking of utility type things that are easier or more quickly done in 
DOS, but I'm wide open to any ideas.

Apart from that old application, all I ever did was play Hangman!
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread Marv
I'm running FreeDos on an old Pentium server that came with Windows 2000. I
wanted to keep W2K, so I installed FreeDos in a partition. I use PLOP on a
diskette to boot to either W2K or FreeDos. I wanted to install Linux on it
just for fun, but haven't been able so far. This old beast has a USB input
but BIOS can't boot from it. It has a CD which is bootable but Linux is
too big and needs a DVD. So, I tried several ways to install Linux from a
hard drive but had no success. It's no big deal.

I do have 2 Linux servers running in my home computer/radio room. One
handles my home automation and weather station. The other is a file server.
I also have a laptop running Linux Mint, which can do a lot of things and
is even user friendly. But I have other software that only runs on Windows,
so I have a desktop and another laptop for that.

I was thinking of using the FreeDos PC in some network server capacity, but
I had forgotten how loud the fans are in these old Pentium machines. I did
replace the main cabinet fan with a quiet one, but the CPU and power supply
fans are way too loud. I guess that's just part of the retro experience,
but it doesn't do much for marital bliss when my wife has to yell at me
to be heard.




On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 4:06 PM dmccunney  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:19 PM Marv  wrote:
> >
> > I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe
> other newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs. I was
> thinking of utility type things that are easier or more quickly done in
> DOS, but I'm wide open to any ideas.
> >
> > So far I've got programs like Supercalc, Wordstar, GWBasic, DBase, etc
> working. I transfer files back and forth to my Windows PC using FTP over my
> local network.
>
> I'm odd man out, as I don't currently have a dedicated FreeDOS PC.
>
> I originally installed FreeDOS in a multi-boot setup on an ancient
> notebook. The machine was a pass-along from a friend who had upgraded
> but didn't want to see it thrown out.   It was a Fujitsu p2110
> machine, the a Transmeta Crusoe CPU (and early attempt at a power
> saving design, a 30GB IDE4 HD, Intel graphics on the motherboard, and
> a whopping 256 *MB* of RAM.  The Crusoe CPU grabbed 156MB off the top
> for "code morphing", there were 240MB usable.  She said it was "Slow,
> slow, SLOW."  Well, yes.  It came to me with WinXP SP2 installed.  XP
> wants 512MB *minimum*.  It took 8 minutes to simply boot, and much
> longer to do anything once up.
>
> I pulled the 30GB HD, swapped in a 40GB model from a failed laptop,
> and started hacking. I reformatted and repartitioned the HD, with a
> 20GB slice formatted as NTFS with Win2K on it, tow 8GB slices
> formatted as Linux ext4 with Ubuntu and Puppy Linux, a 2GB slice for
> Linux swap, and a 2GB slice formatted FAT32 for FreeDOS.
>
> *Getting* it to boot FreeDOS was an involved process. I have no idea
> which of the config tweaks I made actually did the trick, but I had a
> machine that could boot Win2K, Ubuntu Linux, Puppy Linux, and FreeDOS
> from a Grub2 menu.  Win2K actually more or less ran in 240MB ram,
> after I removed everything from Startup that *could* be removed, and
> disabling Windows Update (since it would no longer *get* updates  That
> saved me a SVCHOST.EXE process and 10MB RAM.) Ubuntu and Puppy also
> more or less ran. (Puppy was designed for old hardware, and Puppy
> itself ran well.  Linux *applications* installed were another matter.)
>  FreeDOS *flew.*
> Linux could read NTFS vis NTFS3g,  Win2K could read extfs via an open
> source driver.  Everything could read FAT32, but FreeDOS couldn't read
> anything else. I had no need to and didn't care.
>
> A problem that required reinstalling Wn2K broke the multiboot and I
> couldn't get it to work again.  I didn't care.  The process had been
> an experiment to see what performance I could coax out of ancient
> hardware without throwing money at it. It was fun to try and I learned
> things, but the real work was done elsewhere, so losing the machine
> wasn't an issue.
>
> These days I run Win10 Pro on a refurbished HP SFF desktop with a
> quad-core Intel i5 CPU, Intel HD4600 graphics, 20GB RAM, and OS and
> programs boot from and live on a 256GB SSD.
>
> I still have an assortment of DOS applications, and run them using a
> DOS port of the DOSBox MSDOS gaming emulator, or the vDOS fork of
> DOSBox specifically aimed at supporting character mode DOS
> productivity applications. I do so to flex mental muscles and keep my
> hand in.  It's a hobby activity done for fun.  Actual work happens on
> the Windows side, and most of that simply can't be done in FreeDOS.
>
> (I also have some old DOS apps running on an Android tablet courtesy
> of an Android port of DOSBox. It raises the occasional eyebrows.
> "What's *that? "It's the Unix Larn game, ported to MSDOS, adn running
> on Android via a DOS emulartor." "" :-p)
>
> I think I admire a couple of folks here who still seem to use DOS for
> 

Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread Hollowone PL
I have dual boot FreeDOS and WIndows 7 on one spare retro-ish computer that
I dedicated to it.
When on WIndows I'm connected to the network and also I can natively see
FAT32 partition that is represented by FreeDOS.

Then my custom UEFI boot manager loads FreeDOS with all the stuff desired
for a bit of old school offline experience in its terminal.

I do various bare metal coding experiments in DOS mostly these days. Trying
to discover the true magic of the computer I installed it on.

I treat it as a hobby fed by nostalgia, some people repair old cars after
hours, some dwell into the past of computing like me.

/h1







On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:19 PM Marv  wrote:

> I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe other
> newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs. I was thinking of
> utility type things that are easier or more quickly done in DOS, but I'm
> wide open to any ideas.
>
> So far I've got programs like Supercalc, Wordstar, GWBasic, DBase, etc
> working. I transfer files back and forth to my Windows PC using FTP over my
> local network.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:19 PM Marv  wrote:
>
> I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe other 
> newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs. I was thinking of 
> utility type things that are easier or more quickly done in DOS, but I'm wide 
> open to any ideas.
>
> So far I've got programs like Supercalc, Wordstar, GWBasic, DBase, etc 
> working. I transfer files back and forth to my Windows PC using FTP over my 
> local network.

I'm odd man out, as I don't currently have a dedicated FreeDOS PC.

I originally installed FreeDOS in a multi-boot setup on an ancient
notebook. The machine was a pass-along from a friend who had upgraded
but didn't want to see it thrown out.   It was a Fujitsu p2110
machine, the a Transmeta Crusoe CPU (and early attempt at a power
saving design, a 30GB IDE4 HD, Intel graphics on the motherboard, and
a whopping 256 *MB* of RAM.  The Crusoe CPU grabbed 156MB off the top
for "code morphing", there were 240MB usable.  She said it was "Slow,
slow, SLOW."  Well, yes.  It came to me with WinXP SP2 installed.  XP
wants 512MB *minimum*.  It took 8 minutes to simply boot, and much
longer to do anything once up.

I pulled the 30GB HD, swapped in a 40GB model from a failed laptop,
and started hacking. I reformatted and repartitioned the HD, with a
20GB slice formatted as NTFS with Win2K on it, tow 8GB slices
formatted as Linux ext4 with Ubuntu and Puppy Linux, a 2GB slice for
Linux swap, and a 2GB slice formatted FAT32 for FreeDOS.

*Getting* it to boot FreeDOS was an involved process. I have no idea
which of the config tweaks I made actually did the trick, but I had a
machine that could boot Win2K, Ubuntu Linux, Puppy Linux, and FreeDOS
from a Grub2 menu.  Win2K actually more or less ran in 240MB ram,
after I removed everything from Startup that *could* be removed, and
disabling Windows Update (since it would no longer *get* updates  That
saved me a SVCHOST.EXE process and 10MB RAM.) Ubuntu and Puppy also
more or less ran. (Puppy was designed for old hardware, and Puppy
itself ran well.  Linux *applications* installed were another matter.)
 FreeDOS *flew.*
Linux could read NTFS vis NTFS3g,  Win2K could read extfs via an open
source driver.  Everything could read FAT32, but FreeDOS couldn't read
anything else. I had no need to and didn't care.

A problem that required reinstalling Wn2K broke the multiboot and I
couldn't get it to work again.  I didn't care.  The process had been
an experiment to see what performance I could coax out of ancient
hardware without throwing money at it. It was fun to try and I learned
things, but the real work was done elsewhere, so losing the machine
wasn't an issue.

These days I run Win10 Pro on a refurbished HP SFF desktop with a
quad-core Intel i5 CPU, Intel HD4600 graphics, 20GB RAM, and OS and
programs boot from and live on a 256GB SSD.

I still have an assortment of DOS applications, and run them using a
DOS port of the DOSBox MSDOS gaming emulator, or the vDOS fork of
DOSBox specifically aimed at supporting character mode DOS
productivity applications. I do so to flex mental muscles and keep my
hand in.  It's a hobby activity done for fun.  Actual work happens on
the Windows side, and most of that simply can't be done in FreeDOS.

(I also have some old DOS apps running on an Android tablet courtesy
of an Android port of DOSBox. It raises the occasional eyebrows.
"What's *that? "It's the Unix Larn game, ported to MSDOS, adn running
on Android via a DOS emulartor." "" :-p)

I think I admire a couple of folks here who still seem to use DOS for
everything.  I can't do that and wouldn't try.
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread ZB
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 03:17:52PM -0500, Marv wrote:

> I'm wide open to any ideas.

Just browse "Vetusware" and see; for many applications DOS is still relevant
today. No particular need to fill your HDD up with 100 MB sized applications,
when 100-200 KB ones do about the same thing. Just maybe they aren't
represented by fancy "icons" you will click - typing their name instead.

> So far I've got programs like Supercalc, Wordstar, GWBasic, DBase, etc
> working. I transfer files back and forth to my Windows PC using FTP over my
> local network.

Indeed that's easiest way
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[Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

2020-12-04 Thread Marv
I know I'm late to the FreeDos party, but it would help me and maybe other
newcomers to know what you guys do with your FreeDos PCs. I was thinking of
utility type things that are easier or more quickly done in DOS, but I'm
wide open to any ideas.

So far I've got programs like Supercalc, Wordstar, GWBasic, DBase, etc
working. I transfer files back and forth to my Windows PC using FTP over my
local network.

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