Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-08 Thread Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user

That is my experience

On 08/09/2024 06:31, Sean McCune via Freedos-user wrote:


"BIOS willing"

That's my point. I also have an earlier model where the BIOS is NOT 
willing. So... no external USB drives.



McC


On 9/8/24 12:05 AM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote:

On 9/7/2024 10:51 AM, Sean McCune via Freedos-user wrote:


On my Apsire I found that once I booted it up I could not plug a USB 
stick into the machine and have FreeDOS recognize. But... if I 
plugged the USB stick containing the bonus disk into the machine 
_before_ powering it on, then the BIOS would recognize it and make 
it available to FreeDOS as drive D: and had no problem. 


That has nothing to do with any specific Asus model (I have the same 
basic issue on Dell and Toshiba as well), but simply the fact that 
there is no "plug&play" USB in DOS. Plugging the USB device after DOS 
is already booted will not work on ANY of them. Plug it in BEFORE 
turning the system (back) on, and it will recognize it (BIOS will 
willing) just as any other hard drive...



Ralf




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Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Sean McCune via Freedos-user


"BIOS willing"

That's my point. I also have an earlier model where the BIOS is NOT 
willing. So... no external USB drives.



McC


On 9/8/24 12:05 AM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote:

On 9/7/2024 10:51 AM, Sean McCune via Freedos-user wrote:


On my Apsire I found that once I booted it up I could not plug a USB 
stick into the machine and have FreeDOS recognize.  But... if I 
plugged the USB stick containing the bonus disk into the machine 
_before_ powering it on, then the BIOS would recognize it and make it 
available to FreeDOS as drive D: and had no problem. 


That has nothing to do with any specific Asus model (I have the same 
basic issue on Dell and Toshiba as well), but simply the fact that 
there is no "plug&play" USB in DOS. Plugging the USB device after DOS 
is already booted will not work on ANY of them. Plug it in BEFORE 
turning the system (back) on, and it will recognize it (BIOS will 
willing) just as any other hard drive...



Ralf




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Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Ralf Quint via Freedos-user

On 9/7/2024 10:51 AM, Sean McCune via Freedos-user wrote:


On my Apsire I found that once I booted it up I could not plug a USB 
stick into the machine and have FreeDOS recognize.  But... if I 
plugged the USB stick containing the bonus disk into the machine 
_before_ powering it on, then the BIOS would recognize it and make it 
available to FreeDOS as drive D: and had no problem. 


That has nothing to do with any specific Asus model (I have the same 
basic issue on Dell and Toshiba as well), but simply the fact that there 
is no "plug&play" USB in DOS. Plugging the USB device after DOS is 
already booted will not work on ANY of them. Plug it in BEFORE turning 
the system (back) on, and it will recognize it (BIOS will willing) just 
as any other hard drive...



Ralf




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[Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One.

2024-09-07 Thread Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user
Thanks all, will look at the options and give you an update when I have 
had a chance to play as ever the community here is great.




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Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Tomas By via Freedos-user
On Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:04:30 +0200, Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user wrote:
> [...] As once the FreeDOS is installed the USB is not recognised.
> Ideally Id like to add programs from the bonus disk.
> 
> Any suggestions?


As others have pointed out, what probably happens is that if the USB
is not inserted when you boot, it is not recognised. This is a BIOS
issue/feature.

So make the USB not bootable, eg by reformatting it (or removing it
from the boot order in BIOS), and then have it inserted when you boot.

/Tomas


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Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user


> On Sep 7, 2024, at 1:04 PM, Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Having not played around with FreeDOS for several years I have decided to try 
> to install on an Aspire One.  Having managed the install via the boot disk 
> and then via the full install disk (via a usb drive) I am then stuck adding 
> additional programs as  I can only use a usb drive - no optical drive or 
> floppy.  I can use a boot disk, as from the repository, to add some files - 
> but its limited in size.  As once the FreeDOS is installed the USB is not 
> recognised.  Ideally Id like to add programs from the bonus disk.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Well, you could probably do this (roughly outlined, not step by step):

1) Create the USB install media again.
2) On a separate machine, Use a utility like GPARTED to expand the partition to 
the entire USB drive. (there are bootable CD versions of GPARTED available).
3) Simply copy the packages directory from the BonusCD to a new directory on 
the USB stick (like BONUS_CD).
4) Make sure you download the latest copy of FDIMPLES and place it on the USB 
stick as well.
5) Boot that USB stick on the FreeDOS machine. 
6) Update the installed version of FDIMPLES on your HDD with the new downloaded 
version.

7) you can then copy that entire new bonus package directory to the HDD.
8) Reboot without the USB.
9) Start FDIMPLES giving it the BonusCD package directory. 
10) Install and remove stuff.

(or… This alternative can be easier or harder. If not done correctly, packages 
may install to the USB drive or be improperly installed on the hard drive. 
Resulting in the inability to use the package manager to remove them. 
Basically, in part it is what the FreeDOS installer does when installing from 
USB. )

7) Modify the \FREEDOS\BIN\FDNPKG.CFG file to use drive remapping.
8) adjust your DOSDIR environment variable settings to the internal drive.
9) Run the new version of FDIMPLES giving it the packages in the BonusCD 
directory on the USB drive.
10) Reboot without the USB stick and use the stuff installed.

Or, Depending on what Aspire One you have, you might be able to do this:

If you have a SD CARD slot (like on the Aspire One I have), you may be able to 
write the USB Installer to an SD Card and copy the BonusCD to a Flash Drive. I 
noticed on my D250-1924 Aspire One that I can boot with both installed. When 
that happens, the BIOS boots from the SD-CARD as drive C:. Plus maps the USB 
stick and Hard Disk for drives under DOS. It was rather neat. 

:-)

Jerome


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Re: [Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Sean McCune via Freedos-user

Hi Lyn,

Let me first state that everything I'm about to say may depend upon 
which model of Acer Aspire One you have. They had different models and 
even the hardware within one model varied over the years they were 
produced... so... your mileage may vary.


On my Apsire I found that once I booted it up I could not plug a USB 
stick into the machine and have FreeDOS recognize.  But... if I plugged 
the USB stick containing the bonus disk into the machine _before_ 
powering it on, then the BIOS would recognize it and make it available 
to FreeDOS as drive D: and had no problem.


Unfortunately, I could not make the networking work on my model, so I 
gave up on that piece of hardware after that and threw it back onto the 
"pile of old laptops".



Hope that helps,

McC



On 9/7/24 1:04 PM, Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user wrote:

Hi all

Having not played around with FreeDOS for several years I have decided 
to try to install on an Aspire One.  Having managed the install via 
the boot disk and then via the full install disk (via a usb drive) I 
am then stuck adding additional programs as  I can only use a usb 
drive - no optical drive or floppy.  I can use a boot disk, as from 
the repository, to add some files - but its limited in size.  As once 
the FreeDOS is installed the USB is not recognised.  Ideally Id like 
to add programs from the bonus disk.


Any suggestions?

Thanks



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[Freedos-user] Issues when installed on an Acer Aspire One

2024-09-07 Thread Lyn Thomas via Freedos-user

Hi all

Having not played around with FreeDOS for several years I have decided 
to try to install on an Aspire One.  Having managed the install via the 
boot disk and then via the full install disk (via a usb drive) I am then 
stuck adding additional programs as  I can only use a usb drive - no 
optical drive or floppy.  I can use a boot disk, as from the repository, 
to add some files - but its limited in size.  As once the FreeDOS is 
installed the USB is not recognised.  Ideally Id like to add programs 
from the bonus disk.


Any suggestions?

Thanks



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