Re: [Freedos-user] Boot on usb key (NTFS) on Freedos.

2012-05-10 Thread Mark Brown
one of the ntfs drivers, ntfsdos pro 4.03 freeware,
and the freebyte file splitter/joiner 

ought to do just fine

although i don't know if it will do just fine

 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot on usb key (NTFS) on Freedos.

2012-05-09 Thread Jean-Pierre Planas
Hi,

First, thanks for your answers (Eric, Jim and Rugxulo...)
Rufus is very interesting...

Just to explain why NTFS : I would like to put files 4Gb on the usb key.
I use ghost (Symantec, ex-Norton) with Freedos, and I have already some
ghost files 4Gb that I want to copy on my usb drive.

I saw that with Windows I cannot create 2 partitions on my usb key. Because
I can try to create a FAT32 partition with Freedos to boot on it, and a NTFS
to store my largest files.

Do you know some software :
- To create 2 partitions on a usb key ?
- To replace ghost with a free software ? (to clone fast a partition, using
Freedos...)

Thanks for advance for your answers...

Jean-Pierre


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Objet : Re: [Freedos-user] Boot on usb key (NTFS) on Freedos.

Hi,

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Jean-Pierre Planas
syba...@club-internet.fr wrote:

 I would like on my 32Gb usb key to make it bootable on freedos.

 I would like to keep also my usb key in NTFS.

 How can I do this please ?

NTFS is notoriously wasteful and bloated for USB jump drives, hence MS
created (proprietary) exFAT (supported by XP SP3 on up, I think).
There is probably no added advantage to using NTFS here instead of
FAT32 or exFAT unless you really want the extra security features.

As mentioned, FreeDOS can't read NTFS (nor exFAT) natively, and third party
tools to do so leave a lot to be desired (heavy understatement).
So your best bet (if you choose only one file system) is FAT32. I assume you
can resize your NTFS partition from within Vista or 7 (as it lets you do so
for normal hard drives) and then create a FAT32 side-by-side.

For bootup configuration, EasyBCD should work (though I've not tried, esp.
not on jump drives). If you just want to create the bootable USB FreeDOS
image, try Rufus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exfat
http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
http://rufus.akeo.ie/


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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot on usb key (NTFS) on Freedos.

2012-05-09 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Jean-Pierre Planas
syba...@club-internet.fr wrote:

 First, thanks for your answers (Eric, Jim and Rugxulo...)
 Rufus is very interesting...

 Just to explain why NTFS : I would like to put files 4Gb on the usb key.

Ah, forgot about that. FreeDOS doesn't support files over 2 GB, so I
guess that rules it out.

 I use ghost (Symantec, ex-Norton) with Freedos, and I have already some
 ghost files 4Gb that I want to copy on my usb drive.

You could always split them (*.000, *.001, *.002) and combine later.
Actually, exFAT supports big files, but FreeDOS (wisely) doesn't
implement it (patents, bah).

 I saw that with Windows I cannot create 2 partitions on my usb key. Because
 I can try to create a FAT32 partition with Freedos to boot on it, and a NTFS
 to store my largest files.

 Do you know some software :
 - To create 2 partitions on a usb key ?

Presumably anything like Linux GParted or maybe even one of the
FreeDOS fdisk tools.

 - To replace ghost with a free software ? (to clone fast a partition, using
 Freedos...)

Free software? Dunno, check some of the Linux distros. There's
probably some DOS tool, but I can't remember (or it isn't free and/or
libre). Two I just searched for and found aren't free, for instance.
But I've not frequently cloned drives, so I'm the wrong person to ask.
(And Ghost used to have a DOS/DJGPP version, but that won't help
here.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot on usb key (NTFS) on Freedos.

2012-05-09 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

Maybe obvious, but if you plan to handle large diskimages  4 GB,
why would you want to do that with DOS at all? How about Linux?

You might find that a complicated operating system for freaks
but in fact you do not see much of an operating system when you
stay inside your disk image software and on the other hand, it
is a complicated task for freaks to process files  4 GB and
NTFS and do all that in a DOS booted from some USB stick ;-)

 Just to explain why NTFS : I would like to put files 4Gb on the usb key.
 I use ghost (Symantec, ex-Norton) with Freedos, and I have already some
 ghost files  4Gb that I want to copy on my usb drive.
 
 I saw that with Windows I cannot create 2 partitions on my usb key. Because
 I can try to create a FAT32 partition with Freedos to boot on it, and a NTFS
 to store my largest files.
 
 Do you know some software :
 - To create 2 partitions on a usb key ?

Depending on how much your BIOS helps, any FDISK for DOS would
do but if the BIOS does not, current DOS USB drivers might only
let you use the partitions on USB sticks, but not modify them?

 - To replace ghost with a free software ?

Apparently G4L, CloneZilla, FOG (Free Open-Source Ghost)...:

http://www.libe.net/themen/Festplatte-klonen.php
http://en.libe.net/article/Hard-disk-Clone-Image-How-to.php

Homepage for G4L with some screenshots:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/

For FOG and CloneZilla, there are also nice but German walk-through
style instructions on the tecchannel.de magazine web page. It seems
CloneZilla is better, it also aims to be easy to use :-)

http://clonezilla.org/ + http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/

An example download of an ISO containing both clonezilla
and a system rescue CD is Clonezilla-SysRescCD, which can
also be installed on USB if you do not want to burn it:

http://clonezilla-sysresccd.hellug.gr/usb.html

Clonezilla uses partclone, partimage and ntfsclone internally.
Clonezilla can be burned to DVD or CD or installed on USB or
harddisk. You can also boot it through the network using PXE:

http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live.php

Similar or related projects:

http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ (uses network booting, no boot disk)

http://partedmagic.com/doku.php (contains gparted, partimage,
testdisk, clonezilla, g4l and other useful utilities together)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost/ or FOG seems to be
pretty networking oriented, can image Windows, use PXE boot...:
http://www.fogproject.org/?q=screenshots has screenshots.

Possibly also interesting, made by DOS expert Tom Ehlert:

http://www.drivesnapshot.de/en/ it can backup in the background,
access NTFS and network, but is neither free nor open source.

Enough choice in any case :-)

Eric



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