Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E Sternernone On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 22:40:27 + (UTC) Gregg Eshelman writes: > Any plan to share this find? :) > > > On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:07:19 AM MDT, Dale E Sterner > wrote:It is pure dos abandoned when corel went > to windows. > Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. > It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing > to make it unusable. There was no documentation > with it. Just a corel factory made cd. > Its a pity they quit on it. ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Actress Maggie Q Shocks With Her Solution To Tummy Troubles Activated You http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58ff610f715ae610f5969st01duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:29:48 AM MDT, dmccunney > wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: >> I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't >> have a 5.6. > >> The problem for both products was failure to keep up with the market. >> Micropro took its eye off the WordStar ball and attempted to >> diversify. WordPerfect ate them for lunch. Word Perfect waited too >> long to develop a Windows version. By the time they did, MS Word >> owned the word processing market. > The original WordStar for CP/M was written in Z-80 assembly language by Rob > Barnaby , in about a month. He was the principle coder on it until the last > release prior to 4.0. Yep. https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20161007172455/http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/wordstar-history > When he left the company is when thing started to go > downhill for MicroPro. WordStar for DOS used slow DOS system functions for > the keyboard and display and lagged way behind on supporting subdirectories. I have a copy of WS7. You have to use the install program to specify where things live. It apparently isn't capable of searching the PATH or looking in sub-directories of the install directory to find its components. I shook my head in wonder. Using BIOS functions for keyboard and video was a hangover from the origin in CP/M. > WordPerfect for DOS was written in 8088 assembly. Lots of things were. One of the word processors I used was XYWrite, which I described as a programming language for manipulating test wrapped in an editor disguise. The lead developer coded in Assembler on an original 4.77 mhz IBM PC well after 25mhz AT machines were common. He apparently felt that if he could get it to perform well on an original PC, it would fly on anything later. (XYWrite survives on Windows as Nota Bene, aimed at the scholarly market. Nota Bene was originally an OEM repackage of XYWrite. XYWrite was a bit like Gnu Emacs - extraordinarily powerful, but you had to customize it to really use it, and knowing how to do so imposed a learning curve. Nota Bene had a much friendlier and and more easily learned default interface, which is a reason why it still exists. XYWrite's own Windows version was a non-starter.) A DOS product I still use here is Eric Meyer's VDE. VDE also dates from the CP/M days, and was written in Z-80 assembler as an alternative to WordStar under CP/M, using the WordStar command set. Unlike real WordStar, VDE did everything in one file without overlays. Eric ported it to DOS and it was a popular shareware product for years. These days, it's supported freeware. Eric is still around, and there's a sporadically active VDE mailing list. See https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/ for info and downloads. > Corel was a poor steward of WordPerfect. They dropped the Macintosh version > at 3.5e. The last Windows version released by Corel was horrible. I tried > doing an HTML document once. I had things all laid out and saved it. The > document opened OK in a web browser. I reloaded it into WP, made some > changes and saved it. Checked it again in a browser and it was all screwed > up. Reloaded into WP and it was bad there too. If you could do 100% of > everything in HTML in one go with that version of WP for Windows, it was > fine, but it couldn't re-open and re-save HTML that it was used to create. That's not really a surprise. Corel didn't write most of what they sell. They acquired if from others, and are essentially supporting a static market. I wouldn't attempt to use *any* word processor to create HTML documents. > Microsoft had Word for Mac before they came out with a Windows version, so > were ahead of the competition when it came to a GUI word processor. If they wanted to support the Mac, they had to. Mac OS Classic didn't *have* a command line. But yes, being an early developer for a GUI environment gave MS a considerable leg up. __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. What has your experience been? > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD checksums. Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source license to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because no one was *trying* to. > Tom __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E SternerI think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't have a 5.6. I only use the wordperfect off the disk - yet. Some lady on the web sells a dos wordperfect update to 6.2 and I also bought that - Corel autherized. cheers DS On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:52:57 -0400 dmccunney writes: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller > wrote: > > > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would > be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. > > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > > > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. > > What has your experience been? > > > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or > BSD checksums. > > Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source > license > to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but > rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because > no > one was *trying* to. > > > Tom > __ > Dennis > https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Eat This Herb To Reverse Hearing Loss Navajo Hearing System http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe15db7039a15db762dst01duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E SternerFor the most part dos moves well between machines. Did have trouble with cutemouse & jemmex. On some machines they hang up. What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. What difference does the L make. cheers DS On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:29:26 -0400 dmccunney writes: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > I run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one > > machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. > > You can't. Windows will detect it's on a new machine, and complain. > > But if you run Windows, that's not something you *want* to do, or > have > *reason* to do. > > You might be able to do something like that with Linux. How well it > would work would depend on the machines you were moving between. > Like > Windows, desktop Linux pays attention to the hardware of the machine > it's running on, so things like video and networking work as > desired. > I run Ubuntu Linux here because it does the best job I've seen in a > Linux distro of figuring out what it's being installed on, setting > itself up, and Just Working with minimal input required from the > user. > Just Working requires the appropriate drivers to be installed and > loaded when the machine boots. Different machines will have > different > hardware and require different drivers. > > > Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. > > So what? And you aren't *running* DOS on Windows. You are running > DOS *emulation* in a virtual machine (which is essentially what > things > like vDOS are), which allows you to run DOS *applications* under > Windows. You don't *need* DOS itself in the mix. (You could run > DOS > apps "native" on Win2K/XP, but *that* was emulation too. Real DOS > was > nowhere to be found.) > > (I run an assortment of DOS apps on an Android tablet. Android has > a > Linux kernel under the hood, and the tablet uses an ARM Cortex 7 > quad > core CPU. I run DOS apps via an Android port of DOSBox, with is a > VM > intended to let you play old DOS games on machines that aren't DOS > PCs, but supports things that aren't games, too. Look, Ma! No DOS! > :-) ) > > > cheers > > DS > __ > Dennis > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Actress Maggie Q Shocks With Her Solution To Tummy Troubles activatedyou.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe3d68866b63d683477st03duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. > > Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to import, even Excel can't do that. How much use do you make of the 3D feature? > Gnumeric runs on Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, but is not portable to Haiku. No surprise, but who runs Haiku? > Regarding BSD requiring AT source license, are you talking about FreeBSD, NetBSD or BSDI? I was referring to before FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD existed. > I don't think FreeBSD and NetBSD required AT source license, even in their early days. They came about rather late in the game. BSD originated as a fork of AT Unix. Back then, AT was still Ma Bell, the regulated national telecommunications monopoly. AT developed Unix for internal use, and wasn't allowed to *sell* it. They *could* give it away in unsupported source form* to accredited educational institutions. One institution who took them up on it was the University of California at Berkeley, and UCB's Computer Research Group jumped on it and ran with it. The Berkeley Standard Distribution was CRG's hacks on AT code, and various things they developed like the C shell, the vi editor, and termcap found their way back into AT Unix. Sun Microsystems co-founder Bill Joy was a grad student in computer science at UCB, and principal architect of BSD Unix. (Guess which flavor of Unix Sun chose for their systems when they started making boxes? :-) ) BSD was adopted by other institutions, but because it had roots in and still contained AT code, you needed an AT source license to run it. * A friend active back then said you *could* get support from AT - you just had to know who to call at Bell Labs and have a verifiable bug to report or suggestion or question they considered interesting. :-) Things changed after the consent decree that ended the Justice Department anti-trust suit against AT, and AT got broken up into the Baby Bells. AT was able to get into the computer business, and AT System V became the basis of various commercial offerings. AT also sold hardware, both manufactured internally by Western Electric (the 3B2 line), acquired from elsewhere in an OEM deal (The AT Unix-PS and 3B1 machines, made by Convergent Technologies, which is part of Unisys now), and PCs made by Olivetti, who AT bought. BSD code was steadily modified to remove any code originally developed by AT, and offerings like FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD were the result. The Gnu Project had already produced open source versions of the standard utilities that came with Unix, and both Linux and *BSD bundled them. Essentially, what differed between Linux and BSD was the OS kernel. > I remember when FreeBSD floppy boot disks would hang "Probing for devices...", and I couldn't get any further. That's an area Linux has gotten a lot better about, and a reason I run Ubuntu. The.last I looked, BSD was still "batteries not included" and "some assembly required", so it never got the penetration Linux did. > Tom __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Gregg Eshelman--===2748568669217627302== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_Part_3497302_1237270095.1493073627563" Content-Length: 1623 --=_Part_3497302_1237270095.1493073627563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any plan to share this find? :) On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:07:19 AM MDT, Dale E Sterner wrote:It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing to make it unusable. There was no documentation with it. Just a corel factory made cd. Its a pity they quit on it. --=_Part_3497302_1237270095.1493073627563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any plan to share this find? :)On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:07:19 AM MDT, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows.Sounded like it came out of the trash can type.It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothingto make it unusable. There was no documentation with it. Just a corel factory made cd.Its a pity they quit on it. --=_Part_3497302_1237270095.1493073627563-- --===2748568669217627302== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot --===2748568669217627302== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --===2748568669217627302==-- --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E SternerI run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. cheers DS On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:29:06 -0400 dmccunney writes: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. > > Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. > > It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing > > to make it unusable. There was no documentation > > with it. Just a corel factory made cd. > > Its a pity they quit on it. > > Corel is a commercial software producer, making its living *selling* > software. > > They dropped out of the DOS market because there no longer *was* a > DOS > market. Almost everyone had moved to Windows. > > That's not "pity", it's *survival*. > __ > Dennis > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe1db7e4ce01db724d4st04duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E Sternerthanks On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:23:17 -0700 Ralf Quint writes: > On 4/24/2017 11:03 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > > What difference does the L make. > The windows manager used... > > Ubuntu, as in the main distro, is using Gnome 3 as the default > window > manager (after they finally abandoned that stupid Unity carp), > Lubuntu > is instead using the more lightweight LXDE windows manager, and just > to > preempt further questions, Xunbuntu is using Xfce, Kubuntu KDE as > their > windows manager... > > Ralf > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe566d99fb9566d083est02duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't > have a 5.6. As it happens, there was, as Felix Miata noted. But versions *can* be skipped by vendors. > I only use the wordperfect off the disk - yet. > Some lady on the web sells a dos wordperfect update > to 6.2 and I also bought that - Corel autherized. There are holdouts still running DOS software, but not under DOS. There's a WordPerfect for DOS fan site with information on how to make it work on Windows using vDOS. There are similar folks doing the same thing to continue running WordStar. Noted SF author Robert Sawyer maintains a WordStar page on his website with chapter and verse on using vDOS to run WordStar under Windows. The problem for both products was failure to keep up with the market. Micropro took its eye off the WordStar ball and attempted to diversify. WordPerfect ate them for lunch. Word Perfect waited too long to develop a Windows version. By the time they did, MS Word owned the word processing market. I know people who still use WordStar or WordPerfect, but also keep Word around. They are writers selling content, and what the editors they sell to expect to see is a Word document. They may compose in WP or WS, but import to Word for submission draft. > cheers > DS __ Dennis > On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:52:57 -0400 dmccunney > writes: >> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller >> wrote: >> >> > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would >> be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. >> >> Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember >> Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand >> whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) >> >> > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. >> >> What has your experience been? >> >> > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or >> BSD checksums. >> >> Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source >> license >> to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but >> rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because >> no >> one was *trying* to. >> >> > Tom >> __ >> Dennis >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 >> >> > - > - >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > > ** > >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 > *** > > > Eat This Herb To Reverse Hearing Loss > Navajo Hearing System > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe15db7039a15db762dst01duc > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Ralf QuintOn 4/24/2017 11:03 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. The windows manager used... Ubuntu, as in the main distro, is using Gnome 3 as the default window manager (after they finally abandoned that stupid Unity carp), Lubuntu is instead using the more lightweight LXDE windows manager, and just to preempt further questions, Xunbuntu is using Xfce, Kubuntu KDE as their windows manager... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one > machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. You can't. Windows will detect it's on a new machine, and complain. But if you run Windows, that's not something you *want* to do, or have *reason* to do. You might be able to do something like that with Linux. How well it would work would depend on the machines you were moving between. Like Windows, desktop Linux pays attention to the hardware of the machine it's running on, so things like video and networking work as desired. I run Ubuntu Linux here because it does the best job I've seen in a Linux distro of figuring out what it's being installed on, setting itself up, and Just Working with minimal input required from the user. Just Working requires the appropriate drivers to be installed and loaded when the machine boots. Different machines will have different hardware and require different drivers. > Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. So what? And you aren't *running* DOS on Windows. You are running DOS *emulation* in a virtual machine (which is essentially what things like vDOS are), which allows you to run DOS *applications* under Windows. You don't *need* DOS itself in the mix. (You could run DOS apps "native" on Win2K/XP, but *that* was emulation too. Real DOS was nowhere to be found.) (I run an assortment of DOS apps on an Android tablet. Android has a Linux kernel under the hood, and the tablet uses an ARM Cortex 7 quad core CPU. I run DOS apps via an Android port of DOSBox, with is a VM intended to let you play old DOS games on machines that aren't DOS PCs, but supports things that aren't games, too. Look, Ma! No DOS! :-) ) > cheers > DS __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: "Thomas Mueller"from dmccunney: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. > What has your experience been? > > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD checksums. > Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source license > to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but > rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because no > one was *trying* to. > Tom > Dennis My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to import, even Excel can't do that. Gnumeric runs on Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, but is not portable to Haiku. Regarding BSD requiring AT source license, are you talking about FreeBSD, NetBSD or BSDI? I don't think FreeBSD and NetBSD required AT source license, even in their early days. I remember when FreeBSD floppy boot disks would hang "Probing for devices...", and I couldn't get any further. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: dmccunneyOn Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > For the most part dos moves well between machines. > Did have trouble with cutemouse & jemmex. On > some machines they hang up. So even DOS can be sensitive to hardware differences. :-p > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. The default GUI. In Windows, the GUI is part of the OS, and you boot into the standard Windows GUI. (You *can* boot to a command line, by diddling the registry to change Windows' idea of the default shell to CMD.EXE. You really don't *want* to.) In Linux, the GUI is a layered product, running on top of the OS. You can boot a Linux system to a command line and not *use* a GUI, though once again, you may not want to. Ubuntu is a Linux distribution built on top of Debian Linux. A major difference between Linux distributions is what GUI they use as the default. There are *many* available GUIs for Linux. The main Ubuntu distribution defaulted to a GUI developed by Ubuntu parent company Canonical, Ltd, called Unity. Unity was attempting to be a "one size fits all" GUI that would run on desktop, laptop, netbook, tablet, and smartphone. It was optimized for systems where the scarce resource was screen real estate, and you might access stuff through a touch screen. It was a good fit for a tablet, but fell down on a large monitor. Ubuntu has recently halted development on Unity and anointed Gnome as the standard GUI. Ubuntu is available in other flavors as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu. Kubuntu installs the KDE desktop as the default. Lubuntu installs the Lxde desktop. Xubuntu installs the XFCE desktop. You are not limited to the default. You can install others, and select which you wish to use at the Login screen. On the desktop, I have Unity, Gnome Classic, Enlightenment, Lxde and XFCE installed, and spend most time in Gnome. On the old netbook, I use Lubuntu, with Lxde, as it's a lightweight desktop intended for lower resource machines. (Back when, I ran a version of Red Hat Linux with a desktop designed to look as much as possible like Win95 to ease transition for folks coming from Windows.) __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Dale E SternerIt is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing to make it unusable. There was no documentation with it. Just a corel factory made cd. Its a pity they quit on it. On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:03:26 +0200 Eric Auer writes: > > Hi Dale, > > is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an > unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? > And of course, what is included? Which license? > > Cheers, Eric > > ps: you forgot to update the subject in your > freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" > > > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** 3 Life-Shortening Foods You Should Avoid 3 Harmful Foods http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe1430c3fd2143059ecst04duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: Eric AuerHi Dale, is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? And of course, what is included? Which license? Cheers, Eric ps: you forgot to update the subject in your freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
From: "Thomas Mueller"from Dale Sterner: > On Ebay I purchased a cd with unreleased Corel dos > software. There would have been a 5.6 version had it been > released. Some woman got it from a boyfriend who > worked for Corel and then sold it on Ebay for about $150. > I was high bid. Eric Auer: Hi Dale, > is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an > unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? > And of course, what is included? Which license? > Cheers, Eric > ps: you forgot to update the subject in your > freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD checksums. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
none On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 22:40:27 + (UTC) Gregg Eshelmanwrites: > Any plan to share this find? :) > > > On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:07:19 AM MDT, Dale E Sterner > wrote:It is pure dos abandoned when corel went > to windows. > Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. > It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing > to make it unusable. There was no documentation > with it. Just a corel factory made cd. > Its a pity they quit on it. ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Actress Maggie Q Shocks With Her Solution To Tummy Troubles Activated You http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58ff610f715ae610f5969st01duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Gregg Eshelmanwrote: > On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:29:48 AM MDT, dmccunney > wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: >> I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't >> have a 5.6. > >> The problem for both products was failure to keep up with the market. >> Micropro took its eye off the WordStar ball and attempted to >> diversify. WordPerfect ate them for lunch. Word Perfect waited too >> long to develop a Windows version. By the time they did, MS Word >> owned the word processing market. > The original WordStar for CP/M was written in Z-80 assembly language by Rob > Barnaby , in about a month. He was the principle coder on it until the last > release prior to 4.0. Yep. https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20161007172455/http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/wordstar-history > When he left the company is when thing started to go > downhill for MicroPro. WordStar for DOS used slow DOS system functions for > the keyboard and display and lagged way behind on supporting subdirectories. I have a copy of WS7. You have to use the install program to specify where things live. It apparently isn't capable of searching the PATH or looking in sub-directories of the install directory to find its components. I shook my head in wonder. Using BIOS functions for keyboard and video was a hangover from the origin in CP/M. > WordPerfect for DOS was written in 8088 assembly. Lots of things were. One of the word processors I used was XYWrite, which I described as a programming language for manipulating test wrapped in an editor disguise. The lead developer coded in Assembler on an original 4.77 mhz IBM PC well after 25mhz AT machines were common. He apparently felt that if he could get it to perform well on an original PC, it would fly on anything later. (XYWrite survives on Windows as Nota Bene, aimed at the scholarly market. Nota Bene was originally an OEM repackage of XYWrite. XYWrite was a bit like Gnu Emacs - extraordinarily powerful, but you had to customize it to really use it, and knowing how to do so imposed a learning curve. Nota Bene had a much friendlier and and more easily learned default interface, which is a reason why it still exists. XYWrite's own Windows version was a non-starter.) A DOS product I still use here is Eric Meyer's VDE. VDE also dates from the CP/M days, and was written in Z-80 assembler as an alternative to WordStar under CP/M, using the WordStar command set. Unlike real WordStar, VDE did everything in one file without overlays. Eric ported it to DOS and it was a popular shareware product for years. These days, it's supported freeware. Eric is still around, and there's a sporadically active VDE mailing list. See https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/ for info and downloads. > Corel was a poor steward of WordPerfect. They dropped the Macintosh version > at 3.5e. The last Windows version released by Corel was horrible. I tried > doing an HTML document once. I had things all laid out and saved it. The > document opened OK in a web browser. I reloaded it into WP, made some > changes and saved it. Checked it again in a browser and it was all screwed > up. Reloaded into WP and it was bad there too. If you could do 100% of > everything in HTML in one go with that version of WP for Windows, it was > fine, but it couldn't re-open and re-save HTML that it was used to create. That's not really a surprise. Corel didn't write most of what they sell. They acquired if from others, and are essentially supporting a static market. I wouldn't attempt to use *any* word processor to create HTML documents. > Microsoft had Word for Mac before they came out with a Windows version, so > were ahead of the competition when it came to a GUI word processor. If they wanted to support the Mac, they had to. Mac OS Classic didn't *have* a command line. But yes, being an early developer for a GUI environment gave MS a considerable leg up. __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Thomas Muellerwrote: > My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax > and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. > > Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to > import, even Excel can't do that. How much use do you make of the 3D feature? > Gnumeric runs on Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, but is not portable to Haiku. No surprise, but who runs Haiku? > Regarding BSD requiring AT source license, are you talking about FreeBSD, > NetBSD or BSDI? I was referring to before FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD existed. > I don't think FreeBSD and NetBSD required AT source license, even in their > early days. They came about rather late in the game. BSD originated as a fork of AT Unix. Back then, AT was still Ma Bell, the regulated national telecommunications monopoly. AT developed Unix for internal use, and wasn't allowed to *sell* it. They *could* give it away in unsupported source form* to accredited educational institutions. One institution who took them up on it was the University of California at Berkeley, and UCB's Computer Research Group jumped on it and ran with it. The Berkeley Standard Distribution was CRG's hacks on AT code, and various things they developed like the C shell, the vi editor, and termcap found their way back into AT Unix. Sun Microsystems co-founder Bill Joy was a grad student in computer science at UCB, and principal architect of BSD Unix. (Guess which flavor of Unix Sun chose for their systems when they started making boxes? :-) ) BSD was adopted by other institutions, but because it had roots in and still contained AT code, you needed an AT source license to run it. * A friend active back then said you *could* get support from AT - you just had to know who to call at Bell Labs and have a verifiable bug to report or suggestion or question they considered interesting. :-) Things changed after the consent decree that ended the Justice Department anti-trust suit against AT, and AT got broken up into the Baby Bells. AT was able to get into the computer business, and AT System V became the basis of various commercial offerings. AT also sold hardware, both manufactured internally by Western Electric (the 3B2 line), acquired from elsewhere in an OEM deal (The AT Unix-PS and 3B1 machines, made by Convergent Technologies, which is part of Unisys now), and PCs made by Olivetti, who AT bought. BSD code was steadily modified to remove any code originally developed by AT, and offerings like FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD were the result. The Gnu Project had already produced open source versions of the standard utilities that came with Unix, and both Linux and *BSD bundled them. Essentially, what differed between Linux and BSD was the OS kernel. > I remember when FreeBSD floppy boot disks would hang "Probing for > devices...", and I couldn't get any further. That's an area Linux has gotten a lot better about, and a reason I run Ubuntu. The.last I looked, BSD was still "batteries not included" and "some assembly required", so it never got the penetration Linux did. > Tom __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
The original WordStar for CP/M was written in Z-80 assembly language by Rob Barnaby, in about a month. He was the principle coder on it until the last release prior to 4.0. When he left the company is when thing started to go downhill for MicroPro. WordStar for DOS used slow DOS system functions for the keyboard and display and lagged way behind on supporting subdirectories. WordPerfect for DOS was written in 8088 assembly. Corel was a poor steward of WordPerfect. They dropped the Macintosh version at 3.5e. The last Windows version released by Corel was horrible. I tried doing an HTML document once. I had things all laid out and saved it. The document opened OK in a web browser. I reloaded it into WP, made some changes and saved it. Checked it again in a browser and it was all screwed up. Reloaded into WP and it was bad there too. If you could do 100% of everything in HTML in one go with that version of WP for Windows, it was fine, but it couldn't re-open and re-save HTML that it was used to create. Microsoft had Word for Mac before they came out with a Windows version, so were ahead of the competition when it came to a GUI word processor. On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:29:48 AM MDT, dmccunneywrote:On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't > have a 5.6. The problem for both products was failure to keep up with the market. Micropro took its eye off the WordStar ball and attempted to diversify. WordPerfect ate them for lunch. Word Perfect waited too long to develop a Windows version. By the time they did, MS Word owned the word processing market.-- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
from dmccunney: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Muellerwrote: > > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as > > opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. > What has your experience been? > > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD > > checksums. > Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source license > to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but > rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because no > one was *trying* to. > Tom > Dennis My experience with Gnumeric is favorable. There are differences in syntax and navigation with Quattro Pro for DOS. Quattro Pro three-dimensional spreadsheets are practically impossible to import, even Excel can't do that. Gnumeric runs on Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, but is not portable to Haiku. Regarding BSD requiring AT source license, are you talking about FreeBSD, NetBSD or BSDI? I don't think FreeBSD and NetBSD required AT source license, even in their early days. I remember when FreeBSD floppy boot disks would hang "Probing for devices...", and I couldn't get any further. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
Any plan to share this find? :) On Monday, April 24, 2017, 9:07:19 AM MDT, Dale E Sternerwrote:It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing to make it unusable. There was no documentation with it. Just a corel factory made cd. Its a pity they quit on it. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
A lot to learn. thanks On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:27:13 -0400 dmccunneywrites: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > For the most part dos moves well between machines. > > Did have trouble with cutemouse & jemmex. On > > some machines they hang up. > > So even DOS can be sensitive to hardware differences. :-p > > > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > > What difference does the L make. > > The default GUI. > > In Windows, the GUI is part of the OS, and you boot into the > standard > Windows GUI. (You *can* boot to a command line, by diddling the > registry to change Windows' idea of the default shell to CMD.EXE. > You > really don't *want* to.) > > In Linux, the GUI is a layered product, running on top of the OS. > You > can boot a Linux system to a command line and not *use* a GUI, > though > once again, you may not want to. > > Ubuntu is a Linux distribution built on top of Debian Linux. A > major > difference between Linux distributions is what GUI they use as the > default. There are *many* available GUIs for Linux. > > The main Ubuntu distribution defaulted to a GUI developed by Ubuntu > parent company Canonical, Ltd, called Unity. Unity was attempting > to > be a "one size fits all" GUI that would run on desktop, laptop, > netbook, tablet, and smartphone. It was optimized for systems where > the scarce resource was screen real estate, and you might access > stuff > through a touch screen. It was a good fit for a tablet, but fell > down > on a large monitor. Ubuntu has recently halted development on Unity > and anointed Gnome as the standard GUI. > > Ubuntu is available in other flavors as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and > Lubuntu. > Kubuntu installs the KDE desktop as the default. Lubuntu installs > the > Lxde desktop. Xubuntu installs the XFCE desktop. > > You are not limited to the default. You can install others, and > select which you wish to use at the Login screen. On the desktop, I > have Unity, Gnome Classic, Enlightenment, Lxde and XFCE installed, > and > spend most time in Gnome. On the old netbook, I use Lubuntu, with > Lxde, as it's a lightweight desktop intended for lower resource > machines. > > (Back when, I ran a version of Red Hat Linux with a desktop designed > to look as much as possible like Win95 to ease transition for folks > coming from Windows.) > __ > Dennis > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe57622ed5857612b11st02duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
thanks On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:23:17 -0700 Ralf Quintwrites: > On 4/24/2017 11:03 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > > What difference does the L make. > The windows manager used... > > Ubuntu, as in the main distro, is using Gnome 3 as the default > window > manager (after they finally abandoned that stupid Unity carp), > Lubuntu > is instead using the more lightweight LXDE windows manager, and just > to > preempt further questions, Xunbuntu is using Xfce, Kubuntu KDE as > their > windows manager... > > Ralf > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe566d99fb9566d083est02duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Dale E Sternerwrote: > For the most part dos moves well between machines. > Did have trouble with cutemouse & jemmex. On > some machines they hang up. So even DOS can be sensitive to hardware differences. :-p > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. The default GUI. In Windows, the GUI is part of the OS, and you boot into the standard Windows GUI. (You *can* boot to a command line, by diddling the registry to change Windows' idea of the default shell to CMD.EXE. You really don't *want* to.) In Linux, the GUI is a layered product, running on top of the OS. You can boot a Linux system to a command line and not *use* a GUI, though once again, you may not want to. Ubuntu is a Linux distribution built on top of Debian Linux. A major difference between Linux distributions is what GUI they use as the default. There are *many* available GUIs for Linux. The main Ubuntu distribution defaulted to a GUI developed by Ubuntu parent company Canonical, Ltd, called Unity. Unity was attempting to be a "one size fits all" GUI that would run on desktop, laptop, netbook, tablet, and smartphone. It was optimized for systems where the scarce resource was screen real estate, and you might access stuff through a touch screen. It was a good fit for a tablet, but fell down on a large monitor. Ubuntu has recently halted development on Unity and anointed Gnome as the standard GUI. Ubuntu is available in other flavors as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu. Kubuntu installs the KDE desktop as the default. Lubuntu installs the Lxde desktop. Xubuntu installs the XFCE desktop. You are not limited to the default. You can install others, and select which you wish to use at the Login screen. On the desktop, I have Unity, Gnome Classic, Enlightenment, Lxde and XFCE installed, and spend most time in Gnome. On the old netbook, I use Lubuntu, with Lxde, as it's a lightweight desktop intended for lower resource machines. (Back when, I ran a version of Red Hat Linux with a desktop designed to look as much as possible like Win95 to ease transition for folks coming from Windows.) __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On 4/24/2017 11:03 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. > What difference does the L make. The windows manager used... Ubuntu, as in the main distro, is using Gnome 3 as the default window manager (after they finally abandoned that stupid Unity carp), Lubuntu is instead using the more lightweight LXDE windows manager, and just to preempt further questions, Xunbuntu is using Xfce, Kubuntu KDE as their windows manager... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
For the most part dos moves well between machines. Did have trouble with cutemouse & jemmex. On some machines they hang up. What is the difference between Lubuntu & Ubuntu. What difference does the L make. cheers DS On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:29:26 -0400 dmccunneywrites: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > I run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one > > machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. > > You can't. Windows will detect it's on a new machine, and complain. > > But if you run Windows, that's not something you *want* to do, or > have > *reason* to do. > > You might be able to do something like that with Linux. How well it > would work would depend on the machines you were moving between. > Like > Windows, desktop Linux pays attention to the hardware of the machine > it's running on, so things like video and networking work as > desired. > I run Ubuntu Linux here because it does the best job I've seen in a > Linux distro of figuring out what it's being installed on, setting > itself up, and Just Working with minimal input required from the > user. > Just Working requires the appropriate drivers to be installed and > loaded when the machine boots. Different machines will have > different > hardware and require different drivers. > > > Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. > > So what? And you aren't *running* DOS on Windows. You are running > DOS *emulation* in a virtual machine (which is essentially what > things > like vDOS are), which allows you to run DOS *applications* under > Windows. You don't *need* DOS itself in the mix. (You could run > DOS > apps "native" on Win2K/XP, but *that* was emulation too. Real DOS > was > nowhere to be found.) > > (I run an assortment of DOS apps on an Android tablet. Android has > a > Linux kernel under the hood, and the tablet uses an ARM Cortex 7 > quad > core CPU. I run DOS apps via an Android port of DOSBox, with is a > VM > intended to let you play old DOS games on machines that aren't DOS > PCs, but supports things that aren't games, too. Look, Ma! No DOS! > :-) ) > > > cheers > > DS > __ > Dennis > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Actress Maggie Q Shocks With Her Solution To Tummy Troubles activatedyou.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe3d68866b63d683477st03duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Dale E Sternerwrote: > I run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one > machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. You can't. Windows will detect it's on a new machine, and complain. But if you run Windows, that's not something you *want* to do, or have *reason* to do. You might be able to do something like that with Linux. How well it would work would depend on the machines you were moving between. Like Windows, desktop Linux pays attention to the hardware of the machine it's running on, so things like video and networking work as desired. I run Ubuntu Linux here because it does the best job I've seen in a Linux distro of figuring out what it's being installed on, setting itself up, and Just Working with minimal input required from the user. Just Working requires the appropriate drivers to be installed and loaded when the machine boots. Different machines will have different hardware and require different drivers. > Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. So what? And you aren't *running* DOS on Windows. You are running DOS *emulation* in a virtual machine (which is essentially what things like vDOS are), which allows you to run DOS *applications* under Windows. You don't *need* DOS itself in the mix. (You could run DOS apps "native" on Win2K/XP, but *that* was emulation too. Real DOS was nowhere to be found.) (I run an assortment of DOS apps on an Android tablet. Android has a Linux kernel under the hood, and the tablet uses an ARM Cortex 7 quad core CPU. I run DOS apps via an Android port of DOSBox, with is a VM intended to let you play old DOS games on machines that aren't DOS PCs, but supports things that aren't games, too. Look, Ma! No DOS! :-) ) > cheers > DS __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
I run my pure DOS on a CF chip and move it from one machine to another on a cf chip. Try doing that with windows. Running DOS on windows is like turning it into a parasite. cheers DS On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 11:29:06 -0400 dmccunneywrites: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. > > Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. > > It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing > > to make it unusable. There was no documentation > > with it. Just a corel factory made cd. > > Its a pity they quit on it. > > Corel is a commercial software producer, making its living *selling* > software. > > They dropped out of the DOS market because there no longer *was* a > DOS > market. Almost everyone had moved to Windows. > > That's not "pity", it's *survival*. > __ > Dennis > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe1db7e4ce01db724d4st04duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Dale E Sternerwrote: > It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. > Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. > It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing > to make it unusable. There was no documentation > with it. Just a corel factory made cd. > Its a pity they quit on it. Corel is a commercial software producer, making its living *selling* software. They dropped out of the DOS market because there no longer *was* a DOS market. Almost everyone had moved to Windows. That's not "pity", it's *survival*. __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sternerwrote: > I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't > have a 5.6. As it happens, there was, as Felix Miata noted. But versions *can* be skipped by vendors. > I only use the wordperfect off the disk - yet. > Some lady on the web sells a dos wordperfect update > to 6.2 and I also bought that - Corel autherized. There are holdouts still running DOS software, but not under DOS. There's a WordPerfect for DOS fan site with information on how to make it work on Windows using vDOS. There are similar folks doing the same thing to continue running WordStar. Noted SF author Robert Sawyer maintains a WordStar page on his website with chapter and verse on using vDOS to run WordStar under Windows. The problem for both products was failure to keep up with the market. Micropro took its eye off the WordStar ball and attempted to diversify. WordPerfect ate them for lunch. Word Perfect waited too long to develop a Windows version. By the time they did, MS Word owned the word processing market. I know people who still use WordStar or WordPerfect, but also keep Word around. They are writers selling content, and what the editors they sell to expect to see is a Word document. They may compose in WP or WS, but import to Word for submission draft. > cheers > DS __ Dennis > On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:52:57 -0400 dmccunney > writes: >> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller >> wrote: >> >> > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would >> be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. >> >> Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember >> Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand >> whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) >> >> > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. >> >> What has your experience been? >> >> > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or >> BSD checksums. >> >> Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source >> license >> to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but >> rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because >> no >> one was *trying* to. >> >> > Tom >> __ >> Dennis >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 >> >> > - > - >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > > ** > >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 > *** > > > Eat This Herb To Reverse Hearing Loss > Navajo Hearing System > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe15db7039a15db762dst01duc > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
I think there must have been a 5.5 otherwise you wouldn't have a 5.6. I only use the wordperfect off the disk - yet. Some lady on the web sells a dos wordperfect update to 6.2 and I also bought that - Corel autherized. cheers DS On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:52:57 -0400 dmccunneywrites: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Mueller > wrote: > > > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would > be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. > > Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember > Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand > whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > > > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. > > What has your experience been? > > > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or > BSD checksums. > > Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source > license > to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but > rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because > no > one was *trying* to. > > > Tom > __ > Dennis > https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Eat This Herb To Reverse Hearing Loss Navajo Hearing System http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe15db7039a15db762dst01duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
It is pure dos abandoned when corel went to windows. Sounded like it came out of the trash can type. It is somewhat unfinished - a few nasty bugs but nothing to make it unusable. There was no documentation with it. Just a corel factory made cd. Its a pity they quit on it. On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:03:26 +0200 Eric Auerwrites: > > Hi Dale, > > is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an > unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? > And of course, what is included? Which license? > > Cheers, Eric > > ps: you forgot to update the subject in your > freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" > > > > - - > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ** >From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** 3 Life-Shortening Foods You Should Avoid 3 Harmful Foods http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58fe1430c3fd2143059ecst04duc -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Muellerwrote: > It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as > opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. Versions are frequently skipped when software is released. Remember Dale said this was *unreleased* software. (I don't recall offhand whether there was an actual Quattro 5.5 release.) > Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. What has your experience been? > In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD checksums. Back then, Wifi didn't exist, and BSD required an AT source license to run, since it derived from AT code. Checksums were around, but rather simpler and easily spoofed. Nobody cared about that because no one was *trying* to. > Tom __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
from Dale Sterner: > On Ebay I purchased a cd with unreleased Corel dos > software. There would have been a 5.6 version had it been > released. Some woman got it from a boyfriend who > worked for Corel and then sold it on Ebay for about $150. > I was high bid. Eric Auer: Hi Dale, > is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an > unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? > And of course, what is included? Which license? > Cheers, Eric > ps: you forgot to update the subject in your > freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" It seemed strange that a version of Quattro Pro following 5 would be 5.6 as opposed to 5.1 or 5.5. Now I migrate as much as possible to Gnumeric. In the days of Quattro Pro 5 for DOS, I never heard of wi-fi or BSD checksums. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Corel dos ebay thing
Hi Dale, is this actually a version of DOS? Or just an unreleased intermediate version of wordperfect? And of course, what is included? Which license? Cheers, Eric ps: you forgot to update the subject in your freedos-user mail, it still says "wifi on dos" -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user