Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:30, Jim Hall wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: There was a thread on getting writers and maintainers of old retired DOS software to release it as Open Source and I've lost track of it, otherwise I would be continuing it. My bad. What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility of releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've considered doing it myself, but I don't know just who I should contact. Any ideas, brickbats? Wesley Parish At least in the case of TC when that got posted in Borland's Museum site, I had emailed someone at Borland, and received a generic no, with a followup suggesting that the sources to TC weren't available anymore. One assumes they were purged. Pity. I guess that settles that then. I haven't gone back to ask about BC3.1, which was my favorite DOS compiler for a very, very long time. May as well. They can only say no. And TP, if - again - the sources are still extant. -jh Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi! 9-Июл-2006 23:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wesley Parish) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: WP What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility WP of WP releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've I suggest, that releasing Borland _compilers_ as _open source_ (beside releasing as unpaid software) is useless - these compilers are (1) much outdated (in sense of modern language standards compatibility and supported target platforms) and contains (2) many bugs, whereas there are (3) free(dom) alternative (OpenWatcom, for example), which newer, less buggy, more standards compliant and more code-efficient. So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. Database (Paradox) is another story. WP considered doing it myself, but I don't know just who I should contact. Me too. :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi, 2006/7/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Июл-2006 23:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wesley Parish) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: WP What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility WP of WP releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've I suggest, that releasing Borland _compilers_ as _open source_ (beside releasing as unpaid software) is useless - these compilers are (1) much outdated (in sense of modern language standards compatibility and supported target platforms) and contains (2) many bugs, whereas there are (3) free(dom) alternative (OpenWatcom, for example), which newer, less buggy, more standards compliant and more code-efficient. So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. Database (Paradox) is another story. Well, I disagree with you for the case of TurboPascal: at least there would be ONE open source 16-bit Pascal compiler. For C/C++ I agree that we are lucky to stick to OpenWatcom. Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi! 9-Июл-2006 18:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitor Santamarэa) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. AS Well, I disagree with you for the case of TurboPascal: at least there AS would be ONE open source 16-bit Pascal compiler. Issue is, that TP is a Pascal dialect, nobody (including standards) compatible and nowhere standardized. This (missing standards and compatibility with standards) is especially important, because TP is highly tied to DOS (and slightly to 16-bit Windows) platform and, thus, non-portable to newer platforms. I think, this very highly decreases perspectives of TP (_if_ it will be released as free open-source) to evolve. If you not expect evolving, then why you need sources? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Wesley Parish wrote: There was a thread on getting writers and maintainers of old retired DOS software to release it as Open Source and I've lost track of it, otherwise I would be continuing it. My bad. What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility of releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've considered doing it myself, but I don't know just who I should contact. Any ideas, brickbats? Wesley Parish At least in the case of TC when that got posted in Borland's Museum site, I had emailed someone at Borland, and received a generic no, with a followup suggesting that the sources to TC weren't available anymore. One assumes they were purged. I haven't gone back to ask about BC3.1, which was my favorite DOS compiler for a very, very long time. -jh -- I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi Arkady, TurboPascal is by far the most used Pascal dialect, even if not standarized (and FreePascal followed the good work, much ahead of the more standard GPC). In fact, both FreePascal and Delphi has been ported to Linux (and other platforms) so that you can create platform-independent apps (or at least Borland say so, I have never tried that), so the language itself is not that platform dependent (another story are the libraries, but there's even a FreePascal's DOS unit in Linux). Well, I don't expect an spectacular evolution in any 16-bit product (except for FreeDOS), and we should be happy if OpenWatcom does not give up the 16-bit line, but back to TP, one wouldn't be locked if you come across one bug that affects you. Aitor 2006/7/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Июл-2006 18:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitor Santamarэa) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. AS Well, I disagree with you for the case of TurboPascal: at least there AS would be ONE open source 16-bit Pascal compiler. Issue is, that TP is a Pascal dialect, nobody (including standards) compatible and nowhere standardized. This (missing standards and compatibility with standards) is especially important, because TP is highly tied to DOS (and slightly to 16-bit Windows) platform and, thus, non-portable to newer platforms. I think, this very highly decreases perspectives of TP (_if_ it will be released as free open-source) to evolve. If you not expect evolving, then why you need sources? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi! 9-Июл-2006 21:02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitor Santamarэa) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: _If_ you persuade Borland to release TP as free(dom) software, and _if_ you get maintain of it by you, and _if_ you will fix bugs in it - I will not AS I am not the only one DOS Pascal programmer in the world. But all/most other programmers are in same position, as you - they are not sufficiently experienced to evolve Borland compilers or they are not interested in this. :) :( object for this. I only doubt that even if Borland opens its old software, then someone (experienced) will maintain (evolve) this heap of problems. Else, if you not expect evolution (and you satisfied by existing compilers), AS Condition not met: there's no free 16-bit Pascal compiler What about TP itself? AS (at least as AS good as TP6/7, I doubt the download in the French page is legal, and I AS seem to recall that Borland no longer retains ownerwhip over TP), so I AS am not satisfied. Why not try to achieve firstly lesser targets - for example, ask Borland to give permissions to _use_ their BP6/7 compilers? I think, this will be enough. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
