Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-31 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
In my opinion it is good that you have the option to buy a PC with or 
without the operating system.
What really sicks me is that absurd idea of the preinstalled OS. I got 
an Acer laptop, they (almost sure) charged me for the OS, but they 
didn't give me the official WinXP Pro disk: it was preinstalled, and 
there was a CD-ROM by which I could restore the whole HD as it was when 
I bought the PC (that is, with Windows preinstalled and erasing all 
other stuff added by you), but with NO OFFICIAL Microsoft Windows XP 
disk. Incidentally, I never cared actually if I had official Microsoft 
support with it. I ignore how efficient is MS support though (I do 
remember that the user support of Lotus Development used to be excellent!).
This idea of the preinstalled OS, in my humble opinion, SUCKS! (no 
matter how cheap it can be for me or for Acer).


Aitor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP.  It's hard to
buy a new computer without it installed, though!





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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-31 Thread Bernd Blaauw

Aitor Santamaría Merino schreef:

This idea of the preinstalled OS, in my humble opinion, SUCKS! (no 
matter how cheap it can be for me or for Acer).


Aitor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:


Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP.  It's hard to
buy a new computer without it installed, though!


Yes it sucks indeed.
Try restoring a preinstall configuration which needed no boottime 
drivers (because it was on a standard IDE controller/channel) to a 
SerialATA disk. Prerequirement is keeping the old IDE disk intact.
Simply said, there's no way of adding the boottime driver to the 
restored configuration on a SerialATA disk.
That might require the recovery console, which was not installed on 
harddisk (winnt32 /cmdcons) or available by any other means

(no installation cdrom, just a restore cdrom).

And it's difficult to use the partial set of installation files to make 
a BartPE/PEbuilder cdrom.


Basically, I need to buy another 80GB IDE disk, restore the image on it,
boot it, then add SerialATA driver, then do a complete diskcopy to the 
SerialATA disk.


That's horrible..

Bernd



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-31 Thread Gerry Hickman

Hi Bernd,


Yes it sucks indeed.


As I see it, there are three separate issues:

1. Moving OEM installs can be a pain
2. Lack of SATA BIOS support can be a pain
3. Restore disks can be a pain

With XP, this is all compounded by the Activation system. There are many 
people complaining on the microsoft groups about problems moving to new 
hardware and not being able to re-activate.


You could consider sticking to IDE instead of SATA.

Interestingly, BIOS's such as Dell on Intel hardware appear to be able 
to see SATA hard drives via INT13 just like any other hard drive, so in 
this case it's not an issue. In the case of FreeDOS it's pretty much 
essential to have this kind of support otherwise how will it see the 
SATA drive? If FreeDOS FDISK can see your SATA drive correctly, you 
should be able to re-install XP without sepcial drivers, although I've 
seen a strange thing in the past where I could access SATA from DOS, but 
not from Windows!


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OT Definitely, Was Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-28 Thread Wesley Parish
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:06, Gerry Hickman wrote:
 Hi,

snip

 This is a fantastic operating system.

Image installed in my mind, feeble though it be :-)

A furious guy named FreeDOS kicking a very, very solemn donkey, shouting, 
Laugh, g'damit!  My jokes _are_ funny!

Sorry, definitely OT, but I held out as long as I could ... ;)

Wesley Parish

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-27 Thread Gerry Hickman

Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:


The only thing you need windows for is word


I'd say that's an over-simplification, but best not to get into Windows 
vs Linux on here. I'm hoping to do some head to head comparisons in 
the coming months of Windows vs Linux, both client and server, and would 
like to know some good newsgroups or forums for Linux? I need feedback 
from guys who run big corporate deployments with chanage and 
configuration management, interop etc. There's a lot of guys into 
apache/php/perl and single user stuff, but no one seems to know anything 
about corporates, and none of the corporates I go into (quite a lot) are 
running Linux, even the Universities seem to be switching to Windoze:(


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-22 Thread Carl William Spitzer IV
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 17:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP.  It's hard to
 buy a new computer without it installed, though!
 


File a microsoft refund form.  Then install your favorite dos and your
favorite distro and enjoy.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-21 Thread Gerry Hickman

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP.  It's hard to
buy a new computer without it installed, though!


This is true, and this is why Microsoft's dominance is perpetuated. The
big OEMs collude with Microsoft, and Joe Average ends up with no choice.
The EU tried to get an OEM deal, where they HAD to offer an alternative
to Windows, but that idea didn't get very far!

I'm lucky to have Win2k on a big network and also at home, and plan to
skip Windows XP. I'll be evaluating Longhorn soon, but from what I've
seen so far, it's all gloss and no action!

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-18 Thread Gerry Hickman

Hi Mark,


You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot
with Windows XP as well.  This doesn't harm the WindowsXP
installation at all and doesn't require re-installing
WindowsXP.


Hehe, I'm sure this is useful for some folks, but for me it would be 
like sacrilege!


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-18 Thread kd4d
Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP.  It's hard to
buy a new computer without it installed, though!


 Hi Mark,
 
  You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot
  with Windows XP as well.  This doesn't harm the WindowsXP
  installation at all and doesn't require re-installing
  WindowsXP.
 
 Hehe, I'm sure this is useful for some folks, but for me it would be 
 like sacrilege!
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-11 Thread Johnson Lam
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:06:29 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Gerry,

I'd been building and testing PCs using Dos622 with MSCLIENT 3.0, but 
kept runing into limitations, conflicts and lack of memory. I tried 
Win95 and Win98 boot disks instead, but things got even worse. A brand 
new server had 4Gb of memory and Win98's HIMEM and EMM386 didn't like 
this at all. The USB memory sticks also conflicted with EMM386.

Exactly same as my problem before using FreeDOS.

I extracted the boot sector from there, and copied the kernel, made my 
own FDCONFIG.SYS and suddenly it's working. I then got hold of the most 
hacked together alpha, beta, CVS or whatever files I could find together 
with UMBPCI and made a new build.

The best way to start FreeDOS should be boot from ODIN (a one-disk
only distribution of FreeDOS), and then install the FreeDOS into hard
disk ... you can refer to my homepage:

http://johnson.tmfc.net/freedos

I've now tested this on a range of modern hardware including dual XEON 
servers with BIOS controlled RAID, AMD with RAID DOS driver, Intel with 
BIOS controlled SATA, booting from USB memory sticks and building over 
the network.

Good, thanks for your effort, please feel free express any feelings to
the mailing list, I'm interest to your story and experience.

The result is incredible. I have tons of spare conventional memory, all 
my real-mode apps now run properly, and everything is faster than 
before. The other nice thing is that many of the FreeDOS facilities are 
designed to work with the newer hardware as well as the old.

This is a fantastic operating system.

Please help introducing FreeDOS to others!


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-11 Thread Mark Bailey

You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot
with Windows XP as well.  This doesn't harm the WindowsXP
installation at all and doesn't require re-installing
WindowsXP.  You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount
of disk space at the end of the drive.

I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would
welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys
use for dual booting.

See www.k1ea.com/hints
Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP
for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric.  The
keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for
DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the
dual boot.

Mark



Johnson Lam wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:06:29 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Gerry,


I'd been building and testing PCs using Dos622 with MSCLIENT 3.0, but 
kept runing into limitations, conflicts and lack of memory. I tried 
Win95 and Win98 boot disks instead, but things got even worse. A brand 
new server had 4Gb of memory and Win98's HIMEM and EMM386 didn't like 
this at all. The USB memory sticks also conflicted with EMM386.



Exactly same as my problem before using FreeDOS.


I extracted the boot sector from there, and copied the kernel, made my 
own FDCONFIG.SYS and suddenly it's working. I then got hold of the most 
hacked together alpha, beta, CVS or whatever files I could find together 
with UMBPCI and made a new build.



The best way to start FreeDOS should be boot from ODIN (a one-disk
only distribution of FreeDOS), and then install the FreeDOS into hard
disk ... you can refer to my homepage:

http://johnson.tmfc.net/freedos


I've now tested this on a range of modern hardware including dual XEON 
servers with BIOS controlled RAID, AMD with RAID DOS driver, Intel with 
BIOS controlled SATA, booting from USB memory sticks and building over 
the network.



Good, thanks for your effort, please feel free express any feelings to
the mailing list, I'm interest to your story and experience.


The result is incredible. I have tons of spare conventional memory, all 
my real-mode apps now run properly, and everything is faster than 
before. The other nice thing is that many of the FreeDOS facilities are 
designed to work with the newer hardware as well as the old.


This is a fantastic operating system.



Please help introducing FreeDOS to others!


Rgds,
Johnson.



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-11 Thread Johnson Lam
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mark,

You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot
with Windows XP as well.  This doesn't harm the WindowsXP
installation at all and doesn't require re-installing
WindowsXP.  You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount
of disk space at the end of the drive.

My experience is failure.

WinXP check the bootsector, it must be nothing or Win9x FAT identical,
otherwise after copying the file in text GUI screen and reboot, it
won't put XP's boot sector into the hard disk ... I got a non-bootable
disk prompt until update the bootsector to Win9x

I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would
welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys
use for dual booting.

See www.k1ea.com/hints
Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP
for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric.  The
keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for
DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the
dual boot.

Thanks for your effort.
I'll try your way.


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!

2005-07-11 Thread kd4d
Hi Johnson:

My attempts have been very successful.  The FreeDOS installer
has problems if the WindowsXP partition is FAT32...it insists
on writing a boot sector to C: no matter what.  Just don't
use the installer and SYS the disk manually and copy files
over.

The procedure I wrote up is a bit MS-DOS centric, but works
very well.  The computer I am typing this on triple boots
(actually many more) WindowsXP, DOS, and Linux.

Mark


 On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0400, you wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 
 You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot
 with Windows XP as well.  This doesn't harm the WindowsXP
 installation at all and doesn't require re-installing
 WindowsXP.  You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount
 of disk space at the end of the drive.
 
 My experience is failure.
 
 WinXP check the bootsector, it must be nothing or Win9x FAT identical,
 otherwise after copying the file in text GUI screen and reboot, it
 won't put XP's boot sector into the hard disk ... I got a non-bootable
 disk prompt until update the bootsector to Win9x
 
 I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would
 welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys
 use for dual booting.
 
 See www.k1ea.com/hints
 Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP
 for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric.  The
 keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for
 DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the
 dual boot.
 
 Thanks for your effort.
 I'll try your way.
 
 
 Rgds,
 Johnson.
 
 
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