Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-31 Thread wiwa64
Saluton Ivan,
Saluton Rughulo,
kaj eble ech aliaj?

Mi ne konsciis, ke estas tiom da esperanto-parolantoj kiuj ankorau 
okupighas pri la DOS operacisistemo :-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-23 Thread Ivan Shmakov
 Rugxulo  rugx...@gmail.com writes:
 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

  I wonder if someone could write such a short note on FreeDOS?  (In
  either English or Russian.  Or in Esperanto, but that'd force me to
  use a dictionary.)

  My only hesitation for E-o is that I'm a bit rusty (I'm no
  professional, by far).

I'm not fluent in it, either.

[…]

  So a very rough translation of the latest FreeDOS blurb on the main
  page that Jim mentions ...

  
  FreeDOS estas senkosta/libera DOS-kopia masxinestro kio estas uzebla
  tiel: aux por ludi, aux por havi pra-masxinojn, aux por subteni
  malgrandajn masxinetojn.  FreeDOS estas plejparte simila al maljuna
  MS-DOS sed pli bona!  Ekzemple, malgraux MS-DOS, FreeDOS permesas
  FAT32 formon kaj uzadon de granda registrila metodo (LBA).
  

Actually, my point was that I need the note in Russian, but if
someone could write it in English or Esperanto, I could
translate it myself.

Anyway, the Esperanto variant above seems quite readable (though
I feel that a few fine points were lost in translation.)

[…]

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-21 Thread Ivan Shmakov
 Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org writes:

[…]

  I wonder if someone could write such a short note on FreeDOS?  (In
  either English or Russian.  Or in Esperanto, but that'd force me to
  use a dictionary.)

  Well, you can feel free to borrow text from our web page:

  FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to
  play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems.
  FreeDOS is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better!  For example,
  unlike MS-DOS, FreeDOS lets you access FAT32 file systems and use
  large disk support (LBA).

I'll happily re-use this as the basis for a version of such a
note (though I'd like to expand it a bit, and perhaps replace
“like the old MS-DOS” with “like the older PC DOS systems”,
avoiding an arguably unnecessary reference to non-free
software), but I'd like to distribute the result under a free
license (such as, e. g., CC BY-SA), so that our flyers will by
themselves be free works.

This makes me ask: am I permitted to do so?  (The GNU project is
notable for their use of licenses like CC BY-ND, which disallow
the creation of derivative works, while we, obviously, need our
flyers in Russian, which, indeed, means that we have to create
derivative works, or to avoid any use of the material from their
Web pages whatsoever.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-21 Thread Jim Hall
   Well, you can feel free to borrow text from our web page:

   FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to
   play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems.
   FreeDOS is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better!  For example,
   unlike MS-DOS, FreeDOS lets you access FAT32 file systems and use
   large disk support (LBA).

 I'll happily re-use this as the basis for a version of such a
 note (though I'd like to expand it a bit, and perhaps replace
 “like the old MS-DOS” with “like the older PC DOS systems”,
 avoiding an arguably unnecessary reference to non-free
 software), but I'd like to distribute the result under a free
 license (such as, e. g., CC BY-SA), so that our flyers will by
 themselves be free works.

 This makes me ask: am I permitted to do so?  (The GNU project is
 notable for their use of licenses like CC BY-ND, which disallow
 the creation of derivative works, while we, obviously, need our
 flyers in Russian, which, indeed, means that we have to create
 derivative works, or to avoid any use of the material from their
 Web pages whatsoever.)

I wrote the web page content I quoted, so I think I'm safe in giving
permission here. You can use this under CC Attribution
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/) the same as our images
on http://www.freedos.org/images/

Attribution for the text can be www.freedos.org.


-jh

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-21 Thread Ivan Shmakov
 Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org writes:

  (The GNU project is notable for their use of licenses like CC BY-ND,

(… for their Web pages…)

  which disallow the creation of derivative works, while we,
  obviously, need our flyers in Russian, which, indeed, means that we
  have to create derivative works, or to avoid any use of the material
  from their Web pages whatsoever.)

  I wrote the web page content I quoted, so I think I'm safe in giving
  permission here. You can use this under CC Attribution
  (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/) the same as our images
  on http://www.freedos.org/images/

  Attribution for the text can be www.freedos.org.

ACK, thanks!

We're somewhat limited in paper space (the flyers are to be
printed on A6 sheets), so the attribution is likely to end up
being typeset in fine print.  Still, it will be prominently
stated in the LaTeX source [1] for the flyers.

[1] http://styldeks.am-1.org/~ivan/archives/git/gitweb.cgi?p=sfd-flyers-2012.git

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-20 Thread Jim Hall
 ACK, thanks.  I'd try to collect whatever free software-related
 free logos I'd be able to find on the Web, and print them on
 stickers to be given away at the event.

 Also, we've decided [1] to populate the reverse sides of our
 “Join us on SFD-2012!” flyers with short notes on various free
 software packages, like (translation from Russian is mine):

 VLC

 Multipurpose free video player, with distinguishing features being
 the support of a multitude of formats, the independence of
 third-party codecs, the ability to work with stream video (including
 webcams), and also the ability to work with different playback
 libraries (such as FFmpeg.)

 Has numerous and various configuration parameters, but has an
 intuitive user interface at the same time.

 I wonder if someone could write such a short note on FreeDOS?
 (In either English or Russian.  Or in Esperanto, but that'd
 force me to use a dictionary.)


Well, you can feel free to borrow text from our web page:

FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to play
games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS is
basically like the old MS-DOS, but better! For example, unlike MS-DOS,
FreeDOS lets you access FAT32 file systems and use large disk support (LBA).

jh
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Software Freedom Day 2012

2012-08-20 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wonder if someone could write such a short note on FreeDOS?
 (In either English or Russian.  Or in Esperanto, but that'd
 force me to use a dictionary.)

My only hesitation for E-o is that I'm a bit rusty (I'm no
professional, by far). Worse is that technical terms are usually
neologisms, not UV (from Fundamento), so I feel uncomfortable with
some of the ad hoc inventions people use for such terms.

http://www.akademio-de-esperanto.org/fundamento/index.html

Anyways, a quick search for senkosta and libera and FreeDOS shows this:

http://getgnulinux.org/eo/linux/linux_faq/


Ĉu GNU/Linukso estas la nura libera operaciumo havebla?

Ne. GNU/Linukso estas la plej usata senpaga sistemo; sed aliaj
sistemoj ekzistas.

Tioj inkludas la UNIX-versiojn FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD kaj
OpenSolaris, la BeOS-klono Haiku OS, la Windows NT-klono ReactOS, la
DOS-klono FreeDOS, Plan 9 de Bell Labs kaj Syllable, nombrante nur
kelkajn.


So a very rough translation of the latest FreeDOS blurb on the main
page that Jim mentions ...


FreeDOS estas senkosta/libera DOS-kopia masxinestro kio estas uzebla
tiel: aux por ludi, aux por havi pra-masxinojn, aux por subteni
malgrandajn masxinetojn. FreeDOS estas plejparte simila al maljuna
MS-DOS sed pli bona! Ekzemple, malgraux MS-DOS, FreeDOS permesas FAT32
formon kaj uzadon de granda registrila metodo (LBA).


You could probably dredge up some people from various online
translation projects for better help, but I've never contacted them,
so I have no idea. But take what they say with a grain of salt!   ;-)

http://translationproject.org/team/eo.html

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