Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???

2010-02-15 Thread 4625
15-Feb-2010 числа в 00:09 часов, Michael Robinson написал(а) следующее:

 Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing.  You can
 download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or
 Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal.  I would

Try word  deed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???

2010-02-15 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi,
I cannot speak to much of this, but can tell you that the last edition of 
wordperfect for dos, 6.22, is  still available, and dreadfully cheap if 
not free by now.
If you have an interest let me know, and I can direct you to the person 
with the legal copies.
If there is enough general interest here, I can post the information to 
the list.
Karen

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Michael Robinson wrote:

 What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1?

 When might it actually be released?

 Freedos 1.0 definitely has some bugs still that could be fixed.

 Updating Freedos 1.0 is haphazard at best, especially with limited
 networking support and movement towards a newer updating standard.

 What are the long term goals for Freedos?

 I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to
 a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement.  I would also
 like to see the abandonware issue get revisited as sadly most
 people who still use dos are going to want to use a software
 package that is commercially licensed but not legally obtainable.

 One area that I feel freedos at this point is weak in is
 networking.  Windows 9x style networking essentially isn't
 available.  I'm talking long file names, broad network card
 support, broad printer support, the works.  I'm talking
 printer sharing.

 Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing.  You can
 download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos or
 Windows and that will possibly work, but that is illegal.  I would
 like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be
 supported on a dos based platform.  Can a dos based system running
 some kind of graphical user interface support the current crop of
 Java programs?  Even a free word processor that is comparable to
 Wordperfect 6.0 dos ported to Freedos would be a great thing.

 So in short here are areas I want to see some emphasis placed on:

 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium.
   No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will.

 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is
   GPLed available to Freedos users.

 3) Abandonware.  This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial
   programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives.

 4) Fix the bugs as much as possible, this is critical for a 1.1
   release.

 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being
   able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos
   machines from.  Perhaps a protocol is needed to keep these local
   update servers up to date.  I'm thinking: ftp, rsync, http, or
   possibly something else.  I for one would like to get updates on
   compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol.

 6) Make a new installer that offers more advanced customization, but use
   open source tools to create it.

 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne
   doesn't support IMAP.  Please someone address this.

 If Freedos had come out with a 1.0 release at the same time that MS-DOS
 6.22 hit the scene, abandonware would be less of an issue.
 Unfortunately, most commercial dos programs that people want to use
 these days are very old, hard to obtain legally, or both.  This is where
 pirateware sites come in and things get dicey unless there are free
 alternatives.  People talk about Foxpro a lot, how about cloning it?
 It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and
 some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software?
 Programming languages and hardware drivers constitute tools to build
 application software with.  Is it time to make some decisions about
 how far Freedos should go concerning: word processing, web browsing,
 email, games, accounting software, etcetera?  In 10 years time, the
 abandonware problem will probably get worse.  I think the best way
 to address the abandonware issue is to steer people towards Linux for
 word processing, web browsing, general office productivity apps, and
 email.  Beyond that, start cloning popular proprietary dos software.

 A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible
 Windows compatible gui that improves over time, this could be a major
 catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 delayed???

2010-02-15 Thread dos386
 What are the goals at this point for Freedos 1.1?

Fix BUG's ...

 I would like to see an effort to move from a free dos system to
 a free Windows 9x/Windows Millenium replacement.

Please don't disturb the death silence. R.I.P. Windaube ;-)

 Another area that Freedos is weak in is word processing.  You can
 download and obtain an illegal copy of Microsoft Word for dos

YES :-(

 like to see an effort started to find out if Openoffice can be
 supported on a dos based platform.

It can. But you need a compiler with DOS support, and some
usable GUI. And, you have to know what type of DOS you want
to support. NTVDM support - death of DOS development :-(

 1) Create a Freedos compatible clone of Windows 9x/Windows Millenium.

NO.

 No, the ReactOS project isn't trying to do this and never will.

Good :-)

 2) Make a best of Wordperfect/best of Word word processor that is
 GPLed available to Freedos users.

Good idea.

 3) Abandonware.  This issue isn't going away unless popular commercial
 programs are replaced with truly adequate free alternatives.

Indeed.

 5) Start a wiki on how to update Freedos and move towards people being
 able to set up a local Linux server to update their Freedos
 machines from.

???

 possibly something else.  I for one would like to get updates on
 compact disc or DVD, the snail mail protocol.

Good, but FreeDOS doesn't need too frequent updates ;-)

 7) A lot of people don't use pop to access their email where Arachne
  doesn't support IMAP.  Please someone address this.

Arachne also lacks HTTPS and HTTP uploads. JS sucks but many pages :-(

 It seems that there is a lot of emphasis on programming languages and
 some emphasis on hardware, but what about application software?

I have a video editor in the pipeline ;-)

 A project to go from HX Dos extender to a full blown dos compatible
 Windows compatible gui

HX GUI ;-)

 that improves over time, this could be a major
 catalyst pushing Freedos development going forward.

As long as you don't add VxD's into it ...

About world processing, I tested ANTIWORLD recently and it
works somewhat. But it doesn't support the new .dogx format :-(



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