Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

FreeDOS has been using info-zip as the ZIP and UNZIP tool
ever since I can remember. And it works very nicely, so
I do not miss PKZIP either. If somebody really does miss
it, a wrapper to translate PKZIP OPTIONX into a call to
ZIP OPTIONY might be an idea, but as said, I do not think
anybody would miss PKZIP when he has INFO ZIP :-).

Alain M. wrote:
 King InuYasha escreveu:
 I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and 
 pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/).
 
 Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix 
 like). I made the switch many years ago :)
 
 Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit 
 versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is 
 perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives.
 
 What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR 
 with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-04 Thread Jim Hall
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote:
 On Friday 03 April 2009 16:56, Alain M. wrote:
 UNARJ.EXE may be freely used and distributed.

 Doesn't matter anyway - I just checked my repository, and there is only the 
 OpenSource version of ARJ, so no license problem there :)


Correct. The ARJ we have listed on the FreeDOS Software List points to:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arj

This is under the GNU GPL according to its entry in the SF database:

 #  License : GNU General Public License (GPL)



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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-03 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Friday 03 April 2009 06:12, Blair Campbell wrote:
 arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can
 be redistributed (but not the source).

Hi!

I think Alain is right. I didn't bothered checking before (I naively assumed 
that such old tools would be at least freeware by now), but it appears that 
PKware is still selling their PKzip for DOS product:
http://www.pkware.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=43Itemid=90

As for ARJ (I am not talking about the OpenSource one, which is another 
program), it is freeware. May be downloaded without restrictions from ARJ's 
website, as far as we use it for a home usage.
http://www.arjsoftware.com/files.htm 

I will remove PKzip from my repository ASAP, and replace ARJ by the OpenSource 
ARJ program.

Thank you all for your interest.

Best regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-03 Thread King InuYasha
I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and
pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/).

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.netwrote:

 On Friday 03 April 2009 06:12, Blair Campbell wrote:
  arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can
  be redistributed (but not the source).

 Hi!

 I think Alain is right. I didn't bothered checking before (I naively
 assumed that such old tools would be at least freeware by now), but it
 appears that PKware is still selling their PKzip for DOS product:

 http://www.pkware.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=43Itemid=90

 As for ARJ (I am not talking about the OpenSource one, which is another
 program), it is freeware. May be downloaded without restrictions from ARJ's
 website, as far as we use it for a home usage.
 http://www.arjsoftware.com/files.htm

 I will remove PKzip from my repository ASAP, and replace ARJ by the
 OpenSource ARJ program.

 Thank you all for your interest.

 Best regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-03 Thread Alain M.

King InuYasha escreveu:
 I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and 
 pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/).

Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix 
like). I made the switch many years ago :)

Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit 
versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is 
perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives.

What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR 
with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-03 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Friday 03 April 2009 16:56, Alain M. wrote:
 UNARJ.EXE may be freely used and distributed.

Doesn't matter anyway - I just checked my repository, and there is only the 
OpenSource version of ARJ, so no license problem there :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status...

2009-04-03 Thread King InuYasha
Is fdupdate compiled with SSE or MMX or any other special instruction sets
that are unavailable in 486? If so, just recompile with those disabled.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Michael Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.comwrote:

 I'm still stumped as to why fdupdate works on my Pentium 4,
 but it doesn't work on my 486.

 When I run memtest 2.1.1 for dos, it doesn't find any errors.

 When I run ssh2dos, it works.

 When I run fdupdate, it crashes with a 2 near fnodes error.

 I wish I knew exactly what is causing the crash.

 For example, it could be the crynwr ne2000 driver.

 Is there another driver for a Dlink DE220PT isa nic?

 I suppose I can pull the DE220PT and try a UM9008 isa
 nic.

 Aside from this problem, I'm wondering if anyone is
 working on the new installer for Freedos 1.1?  If not,
 I might have some time and might be able to help if
 someone can point me out to instructions on what to
 use and how to use it.  I could benefit from learning
 how to use dos curses for example as another project
 I'm working on to port drivewire to dos requires that
 I work with curses.  I'm actually stopped cold on the
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-03 Thread King InuYasha
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alain M. ala...@pobox.com wrote:


 King InuYasha escreveu:
  I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and
  pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/).

 Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix
 like). I made the switch many years ago :)

 Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit
 versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is
 perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives.

 What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR
 with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free.

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Someone could rewrite the options and make them more DOS-like instead, but
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-02 Thread King InuYasha
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson
 plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
  What is the status of Freedos 1.1?  It has been a while since the you
  can help link has been updated.
 

 I believe the core issues haven't changed:

 1. The new FDUPDATE is done.
 2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet.
 3. The updated Installer is not done.

 I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok,
 and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't
 available.

 The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most
 important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS
 can release a 1.1 distribution.


 -jh


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-02 Thread Geraldo Netto
Guys,

Packages are been verified by Mateusz
please, check and help him
i've send him 123 packages that i've done by myself
the list goes from common stuff to perl and lua

certified(okay) packages are at
http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/

and work in progress packages are at
http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/wip/

so, as a last message, please help Mateusz! :)

Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

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2009/4/2 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson
 plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
  What is the status of Freedos 1.1?  It has been a while since the you
  can help link has been updated.
 

 I believe the core issues haven't changed:

 1. The new FDUPDATE is done.
 2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet.
 3. The updated Installer is not done.

 I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok,
 and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't
 available.

 The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most
 important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS
 can release a 1.1 distribution.


 -jh


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-02 Thread Alain M.

Geraldo Netto escreveu:
 certified(okay) packages are at
 http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/

There is a problem here: There are 2 pirates programs there: pkzip and 
arj. Can this be removed

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-02 Thread Blair Campbell
 There is a problem here: There are 2 pirates programs there: pkzip and
 arj. Can this be removed

arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can
be redistributed (but not the source).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-03-17 Thread Jim Hall
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
 What is the status of Freedos 1.1?  It has been a while since the you
 can help link has been updated.


I believe the core issues haven't changed:

1. The new FDUPDATE is done.
2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet.
3. The updated Installer is not done.

I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok,
and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't
available.

The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most
important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS
can release a 1.1 distribution.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status

2008-09-02 Thread Aitor Santamaría
Hello,

2008/8/29, Travis Siegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Speaking of freedos 1.1.
 I know freedos isn't intended to be dos *exactly* but it is intended
 to be a free dos replacement.
 This is fine for those using emulators under other operating systems,
 and those who can see their screens.
 However, I'm interested in using freedos as well, and not being able
 to see, kind of puts a crimp in things.
 Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it
 was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it
 just plain didn't work.
 However, since then, I know freedos has come a long way, and I have
 decided to get involved (if possible) to help freedos work for
 visually impaired users as well.
 There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox.
 (can't remember where I found it, but can go look it up if needed)
 I'm curious if I can get it to compile and operate properly under
 freedos, is this something the freedos maintainers would be willing to
 include in the main distribution?

 Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in
 (although some are *extremely* limited) such as narrator, but others
 such as speakup and orca included with a lot of linux distros are very
 functional, and of course, osx includes a full-blown screen reader
 called voiceover.
 I didn't write provox, but I *think* I know the person who did, though
 the source is gpl, and technically, we shouldn't have to ask his
 permission.
 If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blind-
 friendly, and would likely win a few more supporters.

 So, I guess what it boils down to is:
 how does one go about including a product in the base distribution,
 and is screen reader access something the freedos team would agree to
 include?
 Thanks for any information provided.


I guess in a CD there is enough room. The only need is that the basic
rules are observed: basically that the license must be GNU-GPL 2 or
weaker, and just to observe some basic rules about how the packing
should be.
Have a look at the several documentation how-tos at fd-doc to get an idea.
Also you should fill-in a LSM record for the program, so that it can be tracked.

FD-DOC: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php
LSM:  http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/

Greetings and good luck!
Aitor

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers

2008-08-30 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

 Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it
 was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it
 just plain didn't work.

Then try again. If you use NANSI, make sure to use the /R option to
force output via BIOS. FreeDOS uses BIOS int 10 function 0e for many
things while MS DOS uses the slower but more flexible pair 2 and 9.
Screen readers should support both styles.

 There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox.

As it is open source, it will be easy to check which BIOS styles
it supports - by reading the source and or by asking the author.
Patching should be easy enough, too... Note that modern hardware
often has very limited soundblaster compatibility, but maybe your
screen reader uses other hardware anyway.

 Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in

Not really. Larger Linux distros tend to make it easy to install
brltty but brltty is not part of the kernel or anything...

 If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as
 blindfriendly, and would likely win a few more supporters.

I would recommend making a separate boot disk or boot cd with the
screen reader already enabled.

 how does one go about including a product in the base distribution

While a screen reader is useful, it is not base in the way our
base is defined... Our base is: Things which do things that you
were able to do with ms dos without installing additional software.

Note that distros such as http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/ include
more than just base but are still small. I recently made a single
2.88 MB diskette image out of the first two Rugxulo diskettes, as
that is useful for making a bootable cd or dvd.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers

2008-08-30 Thread Travis Siegel
Well, brltty is for braille support, not speech output, and I agree  
that it is generally distributed separately.
However, speakup is physically part of the linux kernel (for those  
distros that include it) though there are other screen readers (such  
as yasr for text mode, and orca for gui output) I think a screen  
reader should still be considered.
True, msdos didn't include one, and to buy one cost nearly a thousand  
dollars once software and hardware were combinations were purchased  
(there weren't any that worked with soundblasters originally)
Freedos is of course free, and thereby providing a screen reader that  
does work out of the box would encourage many more folks to give it a  
try.
It may be something that wasn't included with msdos, but by default,  
msdos didn't include mscdex either, until several iterations of 5.x  
was out, so I see nothing wrong with bending the guidelines for this  
one.
For blind users, not including is exactly the same as not including a  
monitor, and expecting folks to be able to use their computers off the  
shelf.
I will of course create my own distribution with screen reader support  
built-in if necessary, but I'd really like to avoid this if at all  
possible.

I'll install freedos again on one of my machines, and see if I can get  
it working with any of my screen readers (I have managed to accumulate  
quite a few over the years) but as you point out, modifying the source  
for provox should be easy enough.
Failing that, I am the owner of the defunct syntha-voice slimware dos  
screen reader product, and can certainly port that to freedos if  
something more robust than provox is necessary, but since provox is  
minimal, and very small, for an initial release at least, it probably  
would be better to use that one, especially since source for slimware  
isn't allowed to be made available per my agreement with the previous  
owners sigh

With that said though, I do respect your stand-point, and if no screen  
reader is the final word, then I'll certainly not belabor the point  
here, but I'd strongly urge that if at all possible, something,  
whether it be provox or something else, be included just so visually  
impaired/blind people can use freedos out of the box so to speak,  
starting the screen reader after dos is up and running should be a  
simple enough task for anyone who wants to try it out, (I.E. no need  
to have it start automatically at system boot by default).


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers

2008-08-30 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

 Well, brltty is for braille support, not speech output

The part of the problem where you have to fetch text from
dos to redirect it to another device is the same for both.
Work to improve cooperation of either with dos helps both.

By the way, there also was a project to port brltty to dos,
can you find out how far they got?  Of course, things which
invoke Linux specific abilities such as USB drivers or ALSA
sound or multitasking cannot be ported, so you will only be
able to use serial and printer port braille with dos brltty.

There also was some free or low cost dos screen reader which
used internal speaker, sound blaster or covox (printer port
dac) for sound output...

Please do not misunderstand my statement that a screen reader
is not base. Base simply means part of a minimal distro that
mimicks ms dos. Any non-minimal distro and in particular any
blind optimized distro are welcome to include screen readers.

Let me know when you have questions about freedos during your
work on configuring or possibly adapting provox for freedos.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status

2008-08-29 Thread Travis Siegel
Speaking of freedos 1.1.
I know freedos isn't intended to be dos *exactly* but it is intended  
to be a free dos replacement.
This is fine for those using emulators under other operating systems,  
and those who can see their screens.
However, I'm interested in using freedos as well, and not being able  
to see, kind of puts a crimp in things.
Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it  
was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it  
just plain didn't work.
However, since then, I know freedos has come a long way, and I have  
decided to get involved (if possible) to help freedos work for  
visually impaired users as well.
There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox.
(can't remember where I found it, but can go look it up if needed)
I'm curious if I can get it to compile and operate properly under  
freedos, is this something the freedos maintainers would be willing to  
include in the main distribution?
Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in  
(although some are *extremely* limited) such as narrator, but others  
such as speakup and orca included with a lot of linux distros are very  
functional, and of course, osx includes a full-blown screen reader  
called voiceover.
I didn't write provox, but I *think* I know the person who did, though  
the source is gpl, and technically, we shouldn't have to ask his  
permission.
If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blind- 
friendly, and would likely win a few more supporters.

So, I guess what it boils down to is:
how does one go about including a product in the base distribution,  
and is screen reader access something the freedos team would agree to  
include?
Thanks for any information provided.


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