Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
Hi! FreeDOS has been using info-zip as the ZIP and UNZIP tool ever since I can remember. And it works very nicely, so I do not miss PKZIP either. If somebody really does miss it, a wrapper to translate PKZIP OPTIONX into a call to ZIP OPTIONY might be an idea, but as said, I do not think anybody would miss PKZIP when he has INFO ZIP :-). Alain M. wrote: King InuYasha escreveu: I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/). Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix like). I made the switch many years ago :) Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives. What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: On Friday 03 April 2009 16:56, Alain M. wrote: UNARJ.EXE may be freely used and distributed. Doesn't matter anyway - I just checked my repository, and there is only the OpenSource version of ARJ, so no license problem there :) Correct. The ARJ we have listed on the FreeDOS Software List points to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/arj This is under the GNU GPL according to its entry in the SF database: # License : GNU General Public License (GPL) -jh -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Friday 03 April 2009 06:12, Blair Campbell wrote: arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can be redistributed (but not the source). Hi! I think Alain is right. I didn't bothered checking before (I naively assumed that such old tools would be at least freeware by now), but it appears that PKware is still selling their PKzip for DOS product: http://www.pkware.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=43Itemid=90 As for ARJ (I am not talking about the OpenSource one, which is another program), it is freeware. May be downloaded without restrictions from ARJ's website, as far as we use it for a home usage. http://www.arjsoftware.com/files.htm I will remove PKzip from my repository ASAP, and replace ARJ by the OpenSource ARJ program. Thank you all for your interest. Best regards, Mateusz -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/). On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.netwrote: On Friday 03 April 2009 06:12, Blair Campbell wrote: arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can be redistributed (but not the source). Hi! I think Alain is right. I didn't bothered checking before (I naively assumed that such old tools would be at least freeware by now), but it appears that PKware is still selling their PKzip for DOS product: http://www.pkware.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=43Itemid=90 As for ARJ (I am not talking about the OpenSource one, which is another program), it is freeware. May be downloaded without restrictions from ARJ's website, as far as we use it for a home usage. http://www.arjsoftware.com/files.htm I will remove PKzip from my repository ASAP, and replace ARJ by the OpenSource ARJ program. Thank you all for your interest. Best regards, Mateusz -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
King InuYasha escreveu: I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/). Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix like). I made the switch many years ago :) Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives. What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free. Alain -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Friday 03 April 2009 16:56, Alain M. wrote: UNARJ.EXE may be freely used and distributed. Doesn't matter anyway - I just checked my repository, and there is only the OpenSource version of ARJ, so no license problem there :) Regards, Mateusz -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status...
Is fdupdate compiled with SSE or MMX or any other special instruction sets that are unavailable in 486? If so, just recompile with those disabled. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.comwrote: I'm still stumped as to why fdupdate works on my Pentium 4, but it doesn't work on my 486. When I run memtest 2.1.1 for dos, it doesn't find any errors. When I run ssh2dos, it works. When I run fdupdate, it crashes with a 2 near fnodes error. I wish I knew exactly what is causing the crash. For example, it could be the crynwr ne2000 driver. Is there another driver for a Dlink DE220PT isa nic? I suppose I can pull the DE220PT and try a UM9008 isa nic. Aside from this problem, I'm wondering if anyone is working on the new installer for Freedos 1.1? If not, I might have some time and might be able to help if someone can point me out to instructions on what to use and how to use it. I could benefit from learning how to use dos curses for example as another project I'm working on to port drivewire to dos requires that I work with curses. I'm actually stopped cold on the porting project right now. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alain M. ala...@pobox.com wrote: King InuYasha escreveu: I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/). Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix like). I made the switch many years ago :) Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives. What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free. Alain -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Someone could rewrite the options and make them more DOS-like instead, but isn't worth it. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: What is the status of Freedos 1.1? It has been a while since the you can help link has been updated. I believe the core issues haven't changed: 1. The new FDUPDATE is done. 2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet. 3. The updated Installer is not done. I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok, and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't available. The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS can release a 1.1 distribution. -jh What are the 1.1 packages? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
Guys, Packages are been verified by Mateusz please, check and help him i've send him 123 packages that i've done by myself the list goes from common stuff to perl and lua certified(okay) packages are at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/ and work in progress packages are at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/wip/ so, as a last message, please help Mateusz! :) Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Geraldo Sapere Aude Non ducor, duco São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ msn: geraldo_boca_at_hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 2009/4/2 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: What is the status of Freedos 1.1? It has been a while since the you can help link has been updated. I believe the core issues haven't changed: 1. The new FDUPDATE is done. 2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet. 3. The updated Installer is not done. I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok, and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't available. The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS can release a 1.1 distribution. -jh What are the 1.1 packages? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
Geraldo Netto escreveu: certified(okay) packages are at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdupdate/ There is a problem here: There are 2 pirates programs there: pkzip and arj. Can this be removed Alain -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
There is a problem here: There are 2 pirates programs there: pkzip and arj. Can this be removed arj is open-source (http://arj.sourceforge.net/) and pkzip afaik can be redistributed (but not the source). -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: What is the status of Freedos 1.1? It has been a while since the you can help link has been updated. I believe the core issues haven't changed: 1. The new FDUPDATE is done. 2. The FreeDOS 1.1 packages haven't been updated yet. 3. The updated Installer is not done. I'd say that #2 is the most important - the current Installer is ok, and could be used as a 1.1 Installer if a new version isn't available. The extra/optional items have had updates, of course. But the most important item (new 1.1 packages) needs to be done before FreeDOS can release a 1.1 distribution. -jh -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status
Hello, 2008/8/29, Travis Siegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Speaking of freedos 1.1. I know freedos isn't intended to be dos *exactly* but it is intended to be a free dos replacement. This is fine for those using emulators under other operating systems, and those who can see their screens. However, I'm interested in using freedos as well, and not being able to see, kind of puts a crimp in things. Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it just plain didn't work. However, since then, I know freedos has come a long way, and I have decided to get involved (if possible) to help freedos work for visually impaired users as well. There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox. (can't remember where I found it, but can go look it up if needed) I'm curious if I can get it to compile and operate properly under freedos, is this something the freedos maintainers would be willing to include in the main distribution? Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in (although some are *extremely* limited) such as narrator, but others such as speakup and orca included with a lot of linux distros are very functional, and of course, osx includes a full-blown screen reader called voiceover. I didn't write provox, but I *think* I know the person who did, though the source is gpl, and technically, we shouldn't have to ask his permission. If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blind- friendly, and would likely win a few more supporters. So, I guess what it boils down to is: how does one go about including a product in the base distribution, and is screen reader access something the freedos team would agree to include? Thanks for any information provided. I guess in a CD there is enough room. The only need is that the basic rules are observed: basically that the license must be GNU-GPL 2 or weaker, and just to observe some basic rules about how the packing should be. Have a look at the several documentation how-tos at fd-doc to get an idea. Also you should fill-in a LSM record for the program, so that it can be tracked. FD-DOC: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php LSM: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/ Greetings and good luck! Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers
Hi! Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it just plain didn't work. Then try again. If you use NANSI, make sure to use the /R option to force output via BIOS. FreeDOS uses BIOS int 10 function 0e for many things while MS DOS uses the slower but more flexible pair 2 and 9. Screen readers should support both styles. There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox. As it is open source, it will be easy to check which BIOS styles it supports - by reading the source and or by asking the author. Patching should be easy enough, too... Note that modern hardware often has very limited soundblaster compatibility, but maybe your screen reader uses other hardware anyway. Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in Not really. Larger Linux distros tend to make it easy to install brltty but brltty is not part of the kernel or anything... If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blindfriendly, and would likely win a few more supporters. I would recommend making a separate boot disk or boot cd with the screen reader already enabled. how does one go about including a product in the base distribution While a screen reader is useful, it is not base in the way our base is defined... Our base is: Things which do things that you were able to do with ms dos without installing additional software. Note that distros such as http://rugxulo.googlepages.com/ include more than just base but are still small. I recently made a single 2.88 MB diskette image out of the first two Rugxulo diskettes, as that is useful for making a bootable cd or dvd. Cheers, Eric - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers
Well, brltty is for braille support, not speech output, and I agree that it is generally distributed separately. However, speakup is physically part of the linux kernel (for those distros that include it) though there are other screen readers (such as yasr for text mode, and orca for gui output) I think a screen reader should still be considered. True, msdos didn't include one, and to buy one cost nearly a thousand dollars once software and hardware were combinations were purchased (there weren't any that worked with soundblasters originally) Freedos is of course free, and thereby providing a screen reader that does work out of the box would encourage many more folks to give it a try. It may be something that wasn't included with msdos, but by default, msdos didn't include mscdex either, until several iterations of 5.x was out, so I see nothing wrong with bending the guidelines for this one. For blind users, not including is exactly the same as not including a monitor, and expecting folks to be able to use their computers off the shelf. I will of course create my own distribution with screen reader support built-in if necessary, but I'd really like to avoid this if at all possible. I'll install freedos again on one of my machines, and see if I can get it working with any of my screen readers (I have managed to accumulate quite a few over the years) but as you point out, modifying the source for provox should be easy enough. Failing that, I am the owner of the defunct syntha-voice slimware dos screen reader product, and can certainly port that to freedos if something more robust than provox is necessary, but since provox is minimal, and very small, for an initial release at least, it probably would be better to use that one, especially since source for slimware isn't allowed to be made available per my agreement with the previous owners sigh With that said though, I do respect your stand-point, and if no screen reader is the final word, then I'll certainly not belabor the point here, but I'd strongly urge that if at all possible, something, whether it be provox or something else, be included just so visually impaired/blind people can use freedos out of the box so to speak, starting the screen reader after dos is up and running should be a simple enough task for anyone who wants to try it out, (I.E. no need to have it start automatically at system boot by default). - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status - and screen readers
Hi! Well, brltty is for braille support, not speech output The part of the problem where you have to fetch text from dos to redirect it to another device is the same for both. Work to improve cooperation of either with dos helps both. By the way, there also was a project to port brltty to dos, can you find out how far they got? Of course, things which invoke Linux specific abilities such as USB drivers or ALSA sound or multitasking cannot be ported, so you will only be able to use serial and printer port braille with dos brltty. There also was some free or low cost dos screen reader which used internal speaker, sound blaster or covox (printer port dac) for sound output... Please do not misunderstand my statement that a screen reader is not base. Base simply means part of a minimal distro that mimicks ms dos. Any non-minimal distro and in particular any blind optimized distro are welcome to include screen readers. Let me know when you have questions about freedos during your work on configuring or possibly adapting provox for freedos. Eric - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status
Speaking of freedos 1.1. I know freedos isn't intended to be dos *exactly* but it is intended to be a free dos replacement. This is fine for those using emulators under other operating systems, and those who can see their screens. However, I'm interested in using freedos as well, and not being able to see, kind of puts a crimp in things. Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it just plain didn't work. However, since then, I know freedos has come a long way, and I have decided to get involved (if possible) to help freedos work for visually impaired users as well. There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox. (can't remember where I found it, but can go look it up if needed) I'm curious if I can get it to compile and operate properly under freedos, is this something the freedos maintainers would be willing to include in the main distribution? Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in (although some are *extremely* limited) such as narrator, but others such as speakup and orca included with a lot of linux distros are very functional, and of course, osx includes a full-blown screen reader called voiceover. I didn't write provox, but I *think* I know the person who did, though the source is gpl, and technically, we shouldn't have to ask his permission. If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blind- friendly, and would likely win a few more supporters. So, I guess what it boils down to is: how does one go about including a product in the base distribution, and is screen reader access something the freedos team would agree to include? Thanks for any information provided. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user