Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-31 Thread dmccunney
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: I have an assortment of sites bookmarked that make effective use of Flash, but Flash is an option, and they can be used without it. (The sites are art, design, and fashion sites... Please give some example what they do with

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Dennis, 2). http://youtube-eng.blogspot.nl/2015/01/youtube-now-defaults-to-html5_27.html Very nice :-) I infer that you need a relatively current browser. Yes, and those video codec libraries are not small at all.

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Dennis, I have an assortment of sites bookmarked that make effective use of Flash, but Flash is an option, and they can be used without it. (The sites are art, design, and fashion sites... Please give some example what they do with flash. Do they use it for example for their image

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Dennis, 2). http://youtube-eng.blogspot.nl/2015/01/youtube-now-defaults-to-html5_27.html Very nice :-) I infer that you need a relatively current browser. Yes, and those video codec libraries are not small at all. So even if you would add just enough HTML5 to a DOS browser to display

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Flash isn't going away on the desktop, and is still maintained. I just had Firefox Nightly complain I was running an older and possibly

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dave Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: No, dialup does not require copper. I know from personal experience that it works fine on a FiOS or DSL line. If you have a dialtone when you pick up your landline phone, a dialup modem will work. True,

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: But I'm not holding my breath while Flash goes away. A technology that pervasive and deeply embedded doesn't simply go away overnight. It needs to be

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:01 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Hardware is

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-23 Thread Dave Kerber
FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60) On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a carrier. Dial up uses analog signals transmitted over copper

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-23 Thread Dave Kerber
-Original Message- From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:35 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60) ... Dial up still works the same

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-22 Thread Dale E Sterner
Broadband makes such stealing so easy. It would take several truck loads of floppies to steal that much data. Broadband goes everywhere in a company. Its quiet and super fast. It can empty files out faster than a speeding bullet. Access to it should be manually controled at a switch board by

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-22 Thread Dale E Sterner
Broadband will always be used but should be used by only people who can be trusted. Using it everywhere is dangerous. Its so fast and quiet. The theft is complete before an alarm can be raised. Its like giving a burglar the ability to quietly clean your house out in 5 second. DS On Sun, 21 Dec

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Dale E Sterner
If I were running Sony the peons would have dial up and broadband would be limited to a few special people would tightly control its use. Dial up still works the same without copper - real slow DS On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:34:01 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 19,

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread dmccunney
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: If I were running Sony the peons would have dial up and broadband would be limited to a few special people would tightly control its use. What has Sony to do with anything? They aren't a telco or an ISP, and do not

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Dale E Sterner
Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a carrier. Peon is anyone who takes orders from a boss. Just about everybody. Dial up is so slow it would take years to clean out Sony instead of minutes or hours. Sony was most likely an inside job. Some peon probably did it - revenge

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Michael Brutman
The conversation is getting silly.​ Sony got hacked. Like many large corporations, they are very concerned about threats from outside. But once an intruder is inside, every door in the building was basically found to be unlocked. Good security is layered security - getting in the front door

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-20 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Bob Schwier schwepes2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll miss copper because it continued to serve in a black out. Without power there is no fiber optic. That's what battery powered cell phones are for. I was around when the major blackout hit the NE. The fact that

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread Dale E Sterner
Tax time; my dos Qpro macros will be adding up my incomes so I can pay the man. Improved tech makes things better; just ask Sony. Broadband use made the hacks possible. My dial up is so slow it takes a half hour to download a virus, plenty of time to hit stop. DS On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:35:20

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Improved tech makes things better; just ask Sony. Broadband use made the hacks possible. Broadband made hacks delivery *faster*. They were already *possible*. Viruses were a pestilence back when everything was still

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread Bob Schwier
I'll miss copper because it continued to serve in a black out. Without power there is no fiber optic. bs On Fri, 12/19/14, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-18 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: DOS is not dead but people need to treat DOS as DOS, not as a second coming of Linux... The fundamental issue for DOS is exactly what you *do* with it, and *why* you might use DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Rugxulo: Light-weight? First of all, Linux (and similarly Windows and Mac) don't target older machines. To them, an old machine is i686 with 256 MB of RAM, and even that is too old for most distros. The bare minimum (for now) seems to be a Pentium 4, and that won't be supported forever.

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that all web browsers (and OSes and cpus) are created equal. Most aren't supported well, if at all. Even the developers who know how just don't care enough. If

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Jose Antonio Senna
Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com said: There are some Linux distros for older computers, and NetBSD and FreeBSD can be installed on older computers. But building packages or the system from source is likely to be prohibitively slow on older machines. But these distros do not run newer

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jose Antonio Senna jasse...@vivointernetdiscada.com.br wrote: I agree with D M Cunney that javascript is the most important shortcoming of DOS browsers, but I think HTML5 less needed than SSL v3 People are full speed ahead on HTML5 largely because the video

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that all web browsers (and OSes and cpus) are created equal. Most aren't supported

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that all web browsers

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Louis Santillan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] There is a pervasive bias against anything that isn't Windows, OS X, or Linux, and those (at least in modern, supported versions) don't target legacy machines (esp. nothing older than a P4). The trend seems to

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a new x86 machine these days that *isn't* 64 bit. ARM is still largely 32 bit, but that's changing

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Louis Santillan lpsan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: And why *should* they target legacy machines? Exactly how long is something supposed to be supported? Hardware is steadily smaller, faster,

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 3:56 PM, dmccunney wrote: I was talking about what you see if you go to purchase a desktop/laptop/netbook/what have you. IoT kit is not stuff end users will run to access the Internet and browse websites. Then why would you use DOS for those kind of tasks? It's the same thing.

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: Even if all Intel based PCs are equipped with 64bit capable CPUs, they will just as happy run 32bit or even 16bit code just fine. Assuming OS support is there. The instruction set is the same. Various system calls may not be. If you want to run DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-15 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, sorry for late reply, On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com wrote: from Rugxulo: Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support Javascript and HTTPS, Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5,