Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Unfortunately, I tried to setup my usbkey and the computer just ignores it though it boots of usb floppy just fine. - Original Message - *From:* Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:37:47 AM *Subject:* [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . . On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:14:52 +1000, you wrote: Hi Techfan, Thanks for the info. . .so I just need to sys the usb stick? That works with Msdos as well? I thought I had tried that before. . .the main issue I have is that I need to be able to boot to it and run ghostcast off a network drive. I already use the netboot global boot disk with good success, but never known how to make the usb stick bootable. . . I will have to play with it. Under 2 condition: 1) Your BIOS must have USB-ZIP or USB-HDD option, otherwise you have to use floppy with USBASPI.SYS 2) Your USB stick must be bootable, I got an old USB stick which can't boot, no matter how I try it fail, later I change a new one and it works! You can try the HP's tools SP27213 under Windows, if your BIOS support boot from USB, you may try SYS the USB stick, it should work. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
At 11:09 AM 3/15/2006 +0300, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: MD If I start up FDISK, it sees a partition on the USB MD stick. If I then use FDISK to remove that partition, afterwards the USB MD stick cannot be accessed by FreeDOS tools (including FORMAT or DEBUG) or MD Windows re-format. Of course - they works only with partitions (which you remove with FDISK). Just recreate partition again. Or I not understand something? Yes. Creating a new partition with FDISK doesn't work. It thinks it works, but the stick remains unusable until the HP tool reformats it. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Hi! 15-Мар-2006 02:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Devore) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: MD Yes. Creating a new partition with FDISK doesn't work. It thinks it MD works, but the stick remains unusable until the HP tool reformats it. Why this may happen? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
At 12:07 PM 3/15/2006 +0300, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: 15-íÁÒ-2006 02:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Devore) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: MD Yes. Creating a new partition with FDISK doesn't work. It thinks it MD works, but the stick remains unusable until the HP tool reformats it. Why this may happen? I thought I was asking you. Because I sure don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say that USBASPI was getting in the way of the partition creation but not the removal, which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:14 +1000, TechFan wrote: Thanks for the info. . .so I just need to sys the usb stick? That works with Msdos as well? I thought I had tried that before. . .the main issue I have is that I need to be able to boot to it and run ghostcast off a network drive. I already use the netboot global boot disk with good success, but never known how to make the usb stick bootable. . . I will have to play with it. Start with a P4 whose bios allows booting from usb. Check the Mandrake linux lists there was a mandrake on usb boot drive. CWSIV --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Thanks for the info. . .so I just need to sys the usb stick? That works with Msdos as well? I thought I had tried that before. . .the main issue I have is that I need to be able to boot to it and run ghostcast off a network drive. I already use the netboot global boot disk with good success, but never known how to make the usb stick bootable. . . I will have to play with it. - Original Message - *From:* Michael Devore [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:11:12 PM *Subject:* [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . . At 07:36 AM 3/14/2006 +1000, TechFan wrote: I saw a thread go around earlier about using a bootable USB key. Did that get polished or handled? I have an extra USB key to play with, but I would like to make it bootable. . .getting tired of using the very slow usb floppy drive to boot our ghosting process. Polished? Probably not, but the current kernel with FORMAT seem to work for everybody who has a USB stick and a computer which supports USB stick booting. There was one recent kernel bugfix made for computers which weirded-out with no floppies present, but that's about it. Anyway, there are several ways to get there. I typically use a formatted USB stick recognized via USBASPI.SYS at bootup and then SYS it to make it bootable. Several methods to format the stick if that's not already done, but it usually comes that way. My own issue is that I can create a stick which either boots as a big floppy (A: via USB-ZIP) or a hard drive (C: via USB-HDD), but I can't seem to switch back and forth between the two types after I'm done. I've not had time to investigate what's necessary to change to go between them. But for most users it probably doesn't matter once they get successful obots, so I've not been pushing hard to make the time, either. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Hi Michael, My own issue is that I can create a stick which either boots as a big floppy (A: via USB-ZIP) or a hard drive (C: via USB-HDD), but I can't seem to switch back and forth between the two types after I'm done. I'm not sure what you mean, but in general you have to decide if you're using floppy emulation or hard-disk emulation; it doesn't make sense (to me) that they can be interchangeable? It's a bit like El-Torito vs CD-ROM A: drive emulation - two different things... -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Hi! 14-Мар-2006 00:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Devore) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: MD My own issue is that I can create a stick which either boots as a big MD floppy (A: via USB-ZIP) or a hard drive (C: via USB-HDD), but I can't seem MD to switch back and forth between the two types after I'm done. I've not MD had time to investigate what's necessary to change to go between them. As I understand, this is not possible: diskettes do not contain MBR, disks do. And these schemes are not interchangeable. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Hi! 15-Мар-2006 08:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TechFan) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: T So, can you direct a fdisk /mbr to remove the mbr on a usb key to get T back to the floppy emulation? As I understand, this is not possible: diskettes do not contain MBR, disks do. And these schemes are not interchangeable. fdisk/mbr just (re)writes MBR booting code, this neither changes nor deletes anything other (partitions information). And FDISK do not deal with non-MBR media by definition. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
No, fdisk /mbr writes an MBR (and master boot record) to the disk. The easiest way to format as superfloppy (remove the MBR) is to boot a linux Live CD and do mkdosfs -I /dev/sda NOT mkdosfs /dev/sda1 (This assumes your version of Linux will recognize the device as /dev/sda and will reformat the stick, destroying any data on it). This will remove the MBR and format the entire stick as a superfloppy. See http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/usbkeys To install an MBR, he suggests first clearing the first 512 bytes and then using a debian program called install-mbr: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 to erase the start of the USB Key. After that you can do a fdisk /dev/sda and create a new FAT partition (FAT16 is suitable). To install a MBR and format the key afterwards, do install-mbr /dev/sda --force mkdosfs -I /dev/sda1 Note the use of /dev/sda1. This means the first PARTITION on the device and implies that it has a partition table (and MBR). FDISK /MBR is tricky...make darned sure you are using the correct hard disk! Mark TechFan wrote: So, can you direct a fdisk /mbr to remove the mbr on a usb key to get back to the floppy emulation? - Original Message - *From:* Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:55:54 AM *Subject:* [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . . Hi! 14-Мар-2006 00:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Devore) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: MD My own issue is that I can create a stick which either boots as a big MD floppy (A: via USB-ZIP) or a hard drive (C: via USB-HDD), but I can't seem MD to switch back and forth between the two types after I'm done. I've not MD had time to investigate what's necessary to change to go between them. As I understand, this is not possible: diskettes do not contain MBR, disks do. And these schemes are not interchangeable. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Hi! 15-Мар-2006 08:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TechFan) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: T So, can you direct a fdisk /mbr to remove the mbr on a usb key to get T back to the floppy emulation? As I understand, this is not possible: diskettes do not contain MBR, disks do. And these schemes are not interchangeable. fdisk/mbr just (re)writes MBR booting code, this neither changes nor deletes anything other (partitions information). And FDISK do not deal with non-MBR media by definition. A USB stick can be set up either with or without an MBR. Windows (AFAIK) transparently deals with either type. The two computers I have that will boot a USB stick BOTH insist on it having an MBR to boot from it, and both automatically detect the USB stick. You can use Linux commands to switch back and forth. There is an HP utility which will write an MBR to a SuperFloppy formatted memory stick (SP27213.exe) under Windows. The Linux command mkdosfs /dev/sda (or whatever your device is) will create a superfloppy formatted USB stick. You can change which way a my USB sticks formatted with these commands. Mark --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Instructions for making USB key bootable. . .
Hi! 14-Мар-2006 17:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bailey) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: T So, can you direct a fdisk /mbr to remove the mbr on a usb key to get T back to the floppy emulation? As I understand, this is not possible: diskettes do not contain MBR, disks do. And these schemes are not interchangeable. fdisk/mbr just (re)writes MBR booting code, this neither changes nor deletes anything other (partitions information). And FDISK do not deal with non-MBR media by definition. MB A USB stick can be set up either with or without an MBR. I don't mean inverse, I just says that FDISK doesn't helps in this. MB You can use Linux commands to switch back and forth. With destroying previous content? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
