Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
-Original Message- From: Fuzzy Zabriskie [mailto:qwill...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:53 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site... ... Thank you... thats pretty much what I thought. personally, I think Vista is a downgrade from XP ;). I opted for XP on my laptop. My father's new laptop came with Vista :(. Boy its, annoying to have to reply 2 or 3 times to every action. I hope UAC is removed from WIN7. It's not removed, but it's much less obtrusive than in Vista. Dumb thing didn't even come with restore disks, never mind real install disks. I had to talk to customer support to get them to send him the restore disks. I'd rather they charged a few dollars more and included the disks. *sigh* D -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
From: d...@rudder.us To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:53:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site... Go to this link, http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm here are 4 ways to turn it off. I usually use option 4. Microsoft will provide you with replacement media, I am guessing $20.00 or so. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246 Dan Will that suppress the constant warnings that UAC is turned off tho? or is there any tweak to do that (the warnings after the 1st are too much to). One would think after setting that and rebooting the OS would understand that it was the users idea to do it. -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
Will that suppress the constant warnings that UAC is turned off tho? this is DEFINITIVELY the wrong mailing list to ask these questions. Tom -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
I'm confused. When I buy a 'software license' am I buying the software or the right to use the software? If I have a license to use specific software on a hardware platform (say a Windows OS), and my install media is damaged, do I have use of the license I've bought? Can I legally obtain new media and use my existing license key to install it? My reading of the EULA seems to say I'm buying the right to use it, and the media is provided so I can use the right I bought. Any copy of the retail OEM install disk can be used with the key asssociated with correct version license. M$ seems to be saying its not a '1st use' copyrighted work. If so, would that not mean assuming I have a legal key I could download/buy/copy install media to use it? -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
Fuzzy Zabriskie schreef: I'm confused. When I buy a 'software license' am I buying the software or the right to use the software? If I have a license to use specific software on a hardware platform (say a Windows OS), and my install media is damaged, do I have use of the license I've bought? Can I legally obtain new media and use my existing license key to install it? By MS's definitions you're buying the right to use the software in ways they allow, as defined in their license. If you would be able to buy their Windows product instead of just a license to use, you could do with that whatever you wanted, including mass-copying and making money of it bigtime. Something they're not happy with and thus disallow. The license to use is because it's software instead of a physical product (which you normally buy instead of just a usage license) My reading of the EULA seems to say I'm buying the right to use it, and the media is provided so I can use the right I bought. Any copy of the retail OEM install disk can be used with the key asssociated with correct version license. M$ seems to be saying its not a '1st use' copyrighted work. If so, would that not mean assuming I have a legal key I could download/buy/copy install media to use it? Yes you can use whichever installation media you want with your legally obtained/purchased valid license, no matter the source. Many computers with Vista allow downgrading to XP but don't provide the files somehow. Kinda annoying :). Would be quite nice if you could download a copy of Windows from MS's website by entering your license key..instead they just send you a snailmail cdrom in a week's time or so. Oh well. -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:21:27 +0200 From: bbla...@home.nl To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site... Fuzzy Zabriskie schreef: I'm confused. When I buy a 'software license' am I buying the software or the right to use the software? If I have a license to use specific software on a hardware platform (say a Windows OS), and my install media is damaged, do I have use of the license I've bought? Can I legally obtain new media and use my existing license key to install it? By MS's definitions you're buying the right to use the software in ways they allow, as defined in their license. If you would be able to buy their Windows product instead of just a license to use, you could do with that whatever you wanted, including mass-copying and making money of it bigtime. Something they're not happy with and thus disallow. The license to use is because it's software instead of a physical product (which you normally buy instead of just a usage license) My reading of the EULA seems to say I'm buying the right to use it, and the media is provided so I can use the right I bought. Any copy of the retail OEM install disk can be used with the key asssociated with correct version license. M$ seems to be saying its not a '1st use' copyrighted work. If so, would that not mean assuming I have a legal key I could download/buy/copy install media to use it? Yes you can use whichever installation media you want with your legally obtained/purchased valid license, no matter the source. Many computers with Vista allow downgrading to XP but don't provide the files somehow. Kinda annoying :). Would be quite nice if you could download a copy of Windows from MS's website by entering your license key..instead they just send you a snailmail cdrom in a week's time or so. Oh well. Thank you... thats pretty much what I thought. personally, I think Vista is a downgrade from XP ;). I opted for XP on my laptop. My father's new laptop came with Vista :(. Boy its, annoying to have to reply 2 or 3 times to every action. I hope UAC is removed from WIN7. Dumb thing didn't even come with restore disks, never mind real install disks. I had to talk to customer support to get them to send him the restore disks. I'd rather they charged a few dollars more and included the disks. *sigh* -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 14:52 -0400, Fuzzy Zabriskie wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:21:27 +0200 From: bbla...@home.nl To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site... Fuzzy Zabriskie schreef: I'm confused. When I buy a 'software license' am I buying the software or the right to use the software? If I have a license to use specific software on a hardware platform (say a Windows OS), and my install media is damaged, do I have use of the license I've bought? Can I legally obtain new media and use my existing license key to install it? By MS's definitions you're buying the right to use the software in ways they allow, as defined in their license. If you would be able to buy their Windows product instead of just a license to use, you could do with that whatever you wanted, including mass-copying and making money of it bigtime. Something they're not happy with and thus disallow. The license to use is because it's software instead of a physical product (which you normally buy instead of just a usage license) My reading of the EULA seems to say I'm buying the right to use it, and the media is provided so I can use the right I bought. Any copy of the retail OEM install disk can be used with the key asssociated with correct version license. M$ seems to be saying its not a '1st use' copyrighted work. If so, would that not mean assuming I have a legal key I could download/buy/copy install media to use it? Yes you can use whichever installation media you want with your legally obtained/purchased valid license, no matter the source. Many computers with Vista allow downgrading to XP but don't provide the files somehow. Kinda annoying :). Would be quite nice if you could download a copy of Windows from MS's website by entering your license key..instead they just send you a snailmail cdrom in a week's time or so. Oh well. Thank you... thats pretty much what I thought. personally, I think Vista is a downgrade from XP ;). I opted for XP on my laptop. My father's new laptop came with Vista :(. Boy its, annoying to have to reply 2 or 3 times to every action. I hope UAC is removed from WIN7. Dumb thing didn't even come with restore disks, never mind real install disks. I had to talk to customer support to get them to send him the restore disks. I'd rather they charged a few dollars more and included the disks. *sigh* I usually just linger trying to learn. A couple of things though; 1. You can easily turn off UAC if you do not like it. 2. Most new computers have a partition with the OS on it and a utility to allow you to make a set of CD's. Dan -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
I usually just linger trying to learn. A couple of things though; 1. You can easily turn off UAC if you do not like it. nods. Is that an option with TweakVI or a special utility? Can the constant 'its not on' messages be suppressed? 2. Most new computers have a partition with the OS on it and a utility to allow you to make a set of CD's. Dan It did but the media was bad :(. the program then refused to rerun them. I guess the powers-that-be never heard of of optical disk getting scratched or being defective, or hard drives crashing. I did explain the bad media issue, and the mfg was willing to snailmail a set so I guess if one complains one can can get them. I even asked if there was a registry tweak to tell the program to forget the set was made, (so as to recreate them). They also told me the disks they were sending could not be imaged even on a unix-like OS using dd, that didn't seem reasonable either. If the OS isn't sold but licensed, why restrict a legal reinstall due to hardware crash? Aren't they OEM versions supposed to be tied to the hardware? I can image the hard drive with Acronis True Image Home to an external hard drive and use its bootable media to restore that image. Why try to keep a user from imaging the recovery disks? They are hardware dependant anyway. -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
Go to this link, http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm here are 4 ways to turn it off. I usually use option 4. Microsoft will provide you with replacement media, I am guessing $20.00 or so. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246 Dan On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 17:27 -0400, Fuzzy Zabriskie wrote: I usually just linger trying to learn. A couple of things though; 1. You can easily turn off UAC if you do not like it. nods. Is that an option with TweakVI or a special utility? Can the constant 'its not on' messages be suppressed? 2. Most new computers have a partition with the OS on it and a utility to allow you to make a set of CD's. Dan It did but the media was bad :(. the program then refused to rerun them. I guess the powers-that-be never heard of of optical disk getting scratched or being defective, or hard drives crashing. I did explain the bad media issue, and the mfg was willing to snailmail a set so I guess if one complains one can can get them. I even asked if there was a registry tweak to tell the program to forget the set was made, (so as to recreate them). They also told me the disks they were sending could not be imaged even on a unix-like OS using dd, that didn't seem reasonable either. If the OS isn't sold but licensed, why restrict a legal reinstall due to hardware crash? Aren't they OEM versions supposed to be tied to the hardware? I can image the hard drive with Acronis True Image Home to an external hard drive and use its bootable media to restore that image. Why try to keep a user from imaging the recovery disks? They are hardware dependant anyway. -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
