Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.

2012-12-20 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 19-12-2012 19:37, peasth...@shaw.ca schreef:

 The FreeDOS 1.1 Base CD offers to apply fdisk;  but you
 recommend not using it?  An installer which should not be used?

The FDISK of any DOS has always been very limited, mimicking Microsoft's 
installation procedure (I'm the only operating system, overwrite any 
previous code).

For a blank harddisk FDISK will do just fine.



 ... make sure the partition (drive) ...

 There's that ambiguity again.  Do you mean hard disk drive as
 in /dev/sda or part of a drive as in /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and etc.

'Drive' is a typical DOS terminology, meaning partition/volume, thus 
sda1 etc. It's used as 'Drive C:'. Basically referring to everything 
which has a driveletter assigned (floppy, harddisk, cdrom, network 
shares, etc).

More advanced operating systems have improved partitioning tools that 
also take multiple operating systems into consideration and allow to 
setup multibooting by installing a bootmanager or including previous 
operating systems to their own bootloader.

Bernd

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Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.

2012-12-20 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:37 PM,  peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:

 From:   Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
 Date:   Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:31:31 -0600
 Do you also have a working floppy drive? Working CD drive?

 Both.  I had hoped to use the CD made from file fd11src.iso
 to install FreeDOS.  Isn't that the recommended procedure?

Yes and no. Bernd was very insistent on having things automated as
much as possible, and he worked very hard on it. But he didn't include
every old DOS package in the universe, even compared to older 1.0. So
it's not a super duper full install like some OSes (which give you
lots of pre-built third-party stuff).

Others of us (e.g. me) find it easier to manually install in minimal
pieces than go the automated route. So if you know what you're doing
or have specific needs, an automated installer may not be what you
want (though it's certainly nice to have both options, IMO).

 FDISK creates at least one partition (primary, active, FAT, presumably
 bootable) for DOS. (This is written into the partition table, ...

 OK.  If it damages the table in the process, there will be
 a problem accessing data on parts 2, 3 or 4.  Exactly what
 I wish to avoid.

Multibooting is so confusing for a billion reasons, not the least of
which is that all OSes do things differently.

As mentioned, you can always back up your MBR if you're worried. And
there are tons of external tools for these kinds of things.

If you're worried about any personal data, back it up to external
drive (USB?) before installing / reconfiguring anything.

 Go back to Debian, or
 even better use GParted (if possible) or SPFdisk, ...

 The FreeDOS 1.1 Base CD offers to apply fdisk;  but you
 recommend not using it?  An installer which should not be used?

FreeDOS traditionally comes with three fdisk tools. And plenty more
exist out in the wild. FD FDISK is Brian Reifsnyder's
classic-style version. Then there's XFDISK, written in Turbo Pascal
(IIRC). And SPFdisk supports SATA disks and various other niceties. I
think the latter two have custom boot sectors they can install (and/or
boot monitors, I forget exactly, lots of options).

 ... make sure the partition (drive) ...

 There's that ambiguity again.  Do you mean hard disk drive as
 in /dev/sda or part of a drive as in /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and etc.

 Ref. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html

I was trying to separate the distinction. Disk is the whole
(presumably one) physical hard drive disk. Drive here is the primary
FAT partition which DOS is installed and attempts to boots from. (I
also vaguely recall auxiliary DOS FAT extended partitions being called
logical drives.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.

2012-12-20 Thread Jim Hall
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM,  peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
 From:   Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org
 Date:   Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:55:23 -0600
 It wants to run the FORMAT command, which operates on one partition to lay
 down a DOS file system. If you want to be really safe you can run mkdosfs
 from Debian to put a DOS file system on that partition, then boot the
 FreeDOS installer again.

 Thanks.  It appeared to install to the first part of a CF card OK, although
 the system fails to boot from it.  I must have missed something at the
 end of the installation process.


It may be obvious, but you should also check that your BIOS supports
booting from CF cards.

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