Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

2014-10-31 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, sorry for late reply,

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote:
 Looking at:

 http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

 There are a lot of files.

Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my
complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update
the files.)

Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to
jump in. It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my
need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since
you do more writing than I do.

Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't
heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it
was quite a good port back in the day.

http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/

If desperate, you could probably email Eli Z. directly (or presumably
better to just start a new thread on news://comp.os.msdos.djgpp called
TeX users?? or similar). If I wasn't so pessimistic and busy with
other things, I'd probably start such a topic myself. But even most of
them seem inactive lately, sadly.

 Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils?

 Where to look for Tex for DOS ?

 Or here
 http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/tex.htm

Okay, I finally downloaded this. It definitely sounds interesting, but
I haven't tried it. Not sure why it prefers emtex, which is
presumably (technically) inferior to the DJGPP built version.
Honestly, this would probably be nice to mirror to iBiblio for us, but
I don't have enough energy to try to root around and find literally
all sources and make sure it's complete. Maybe if I was familiar with
TeX, but I'm not. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of current DOS
users use TeX at all.

In recent years, the only reason I even know about TeX is because I
did some light Pascal programming. In case it isn't obvious, TeX was
originally written in Pascal. (EDIT: Sorry, TeX was written in WEB,
which was Pascal and TeX intermixed. IIRC, same situation with
MetaFont and MetaPost.) Though I guess most people prefer CWEB these
days.

There's even one guy (Wolfgang Helbig) who has several times over the
years gotten it to work with the (now abandoned) GNU Pascal Compiler
(GPC). A quick check shows that he updated it again in July 2014, so
that's good! While I'm not really enthused enough to torture myself
trying to get it working in FreeDOS, it's probably not the worst idea
either. I've done crazier things!   :-)He does say comments
welcome, but I don't personally want to bother him since I know next
to nothing. IIRC, most of his focus in recent years was NetBSD and
later OS X.

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/tex-gpc

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Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

2014-10-31 Thread Ralf Quint
On 10/31/2014 12:01 PM, Rugxulo wrote:
 Hi, sorry for late reply,

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote:
 Looking at:

 http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

 There are a lot of files.
 Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my
 complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update
 the files.)
It's Tex for DOS for crying out loud! What do you expect?

 Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to
 jump in. It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my
 need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since
 you do more writing than I do.
I don't use Tex, never really got into after looking into it when 
working at a CAD/CAM software manufacture back in the '90s and 
evaluating it's use for our software documentation. Corel Draw and 
PageMaker turned out to be a more effective solution for more people 
being able to collaborate without having to spend a long time to become 
proficient in using Tex.
Tex is complex, nothing for a novice, with very few tools coming even 
close to what you do these days with real WYSIWYG tools.
 Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't
 heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it
 was quite a good port back in the day.

 http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/

Pretty much same amount of files, of comparable age.

Ralf

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Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

2014-10-31 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/31/2014 12:01 PM, Rugxulo wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote:
 Looking at:

 http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

 There are a lot of files.

 Old files, probably not even latest versions. (That was always my
 complaint about Simtel and other sites, too hard to help them update
 the files.)

 It's Tex for DOS for crying out loud! What do you expect?

I meant old (not latest) even for TeX, even for DOS. If I remember
correctly, Simtel had a policy of making it hard for anyone outside of
the author to update anything. So a lot of stuff had old versions on
Simtel and newer versions elsewhere.

 Yeah, too many little pieces, hard for the novice (such as myself) to
 jump in. It's supposed to be fairly powerful, but I don't think my
 need is strong enough to learn much of it. Maybe it is for you since
 you do more writing than I do.

 I don't use Tex, never really got into after looking into it when
 working at a CAD/CAM software manufacture back in the '90s and
 evaluating it's use for our software documentation. Corel Draw and
 PageMaker turned out to be a more effective solution for more people
 being able to collaborate without having to spend a long time to become
 proficient in using Tex.
 Tex is complex, nothing for a novice, with very few tools coming even
 close to what you do these days with real WYSIWYG tools.

If you'd rather use latest MS Office or similar, then go ahead. Those
kinds of things are made for an entirely different domain.

 Anyways, let me again point you to a DJGPP mirror. While I haven't
 heard any chatter in recent years of anybody using it, presumably it
 was quite a good port back in the day.

 http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2apps/tex/

 Pretty much same amount of files, of comparable age.

1995 vs. 2000. But I highly suspect the DJGPP build is of much better
quality and stability.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

2014-10-18 Thread Ralf Quint
On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote:
 Looking at:

 http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

 There are a lot of files.

 Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils?

 Where to look for Tex for DOS ?

Not quite sure what you expect or if you already checked out what Tex 
actually is, but you might want to try

http://www.tex.ac.uk/ctan/systems/msdos/

Ralf



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Re: [Freedos-user] Tex for DOS distribution

2014-10-18 Thread Ralf Quint
On 10/17/2014 7:41 PM, Marco Achury wrote:
 Looking at:

 http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/tex/

 There are a lot of files.

 Is this a Tex distribution or just some spre utils?

 Where to look for Tex for DOS ?

Or here
http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/tex.htm


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