Re: [Freedos-user] Who needs WIndows?
Hi, 2010/2/25 Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com: for merely recommending that open source compilers and build tools be used instead of MSVC and the Windows SDK. Good, but how is this related to FreeDOS ? Well, I don't see anyone in the Freedos community insisting that closed source compilers be used and I certainly don't see anyone getting banned for suggesting the use of open source compiler tools, thank goodness. Well, actually until some years ago, the reference compiler used to be BorlandC, but the spec was changed in favour of OWC/C++ ( https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=FreeDOS_Spec ). There's actually a good practical reason behind it, which is that OWC is under active development, whereas BorlandC is not. That does not mean that every FreeDOS tool can currently be compiled with OWC, but at least FreeDOS kernel does. Regards, Aitor -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Who needs WIndows?
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:37 -0800, Michael Robinson wrote: I have been interested in ReactOS, but as of today I gt my forum posting priviledges revoked for merely recommending that open source compilers and build tools be used instead of MSVC and the Windows SDK. That's because GCC's crap at code generation. Sad but true. But I do wonder if it's possible to build ReactOS with OpenWatcom, available for free. Regards, Alex -- http://www.munted.org.uk One very high maintenance cat living here. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Who needs WIndows?
Who needs WIndaube? I don't :-D I have been interested in ReactOS, but as of today I gt my forum posting priviledges revoked http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8005start=45 nute ??? We've had to deal with plenty of bugs in GCC over the years that we wouldn't have had to deal with if we had used MSVC from the start. This project has even filed several bug reports with GCC over the years, and some of them have been marked as 'won't fix' The magic POWER of developers to WON'T FIX all the BUG's :-D because the GCC devs either didn't think Windows was important enough to deal with such subtle issues or they didn't understand the mechanics behind the Windows specific issue. Yeah ... for merely recommending that open source compilers and build tools be used instead of MSVC and the Windows SDK. Good, but how is this related to FreeDOS ? The ReactOS community seems to be extremely abusive, so I no longer link to the ReactOS home page from my web site. Good, but where can I find your site at all ??? I hope the freedos community never gets to be like the ReactOS community. I hope FreeDOS will stay DOS. there is the possibility of doing creative things. I hope freedos 1.1 comes together soon. Agree. Useful creative things, not cloning/supporting Windaube-Whatever-WtF again ;-) PS: Seeing MinGW inferior to VCC is sad but pointless to discuss here. -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Who needs WIndows?
I used to go by the name nute on the ReactOS forums. My site concerning Reactos is: http://web.robinson-west.com/reactos.php or: http://xerxes.robinson-west.com/reactos.php On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:33 -0800, dos386 wrote: Who needs WIndaube? I don't :-D I have been interested in ReactOS, but as of today I gt my forum posting priviledges revoked http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8005start=45 nute ??? See above. We've had to deal with plenty of bugs in GCC over the years that we wouldn't have had to deal with if we had used MSVC from the start. This project has even filed several bug reports with GCC over the years, and some of them have been marked as 'won't fix' The magic POWER of developers to WON'T FIX all the BUG's :-D because the GCC devs either didn't think Windows was important enough to deal with such subtle issues or they didn't understand the mechanics behind the Windows specific issue. Yeah ... for merely recommending that open source compilers and build tools be used instead of MSVC and the Windows SDK. Good, but how is this related to FreeDOS ? Well, I don't see anyone in the Freedos community insisting that closed source compilers be used and I certainly don't see anyone getting banned for suggesting the use of open source compiler tools, thank goodness. The ReactOS community seems to be extremely abusive, so I no longer link to the ReactOS home page from my web site. Good, but where can I find your site at all ??? Look at the top of this reply ;-) I hope the freedos community never gets to be like the ReactOS community. I hope FreeDOS will stay DOS. there is the possibility of doing creative things. I hope freedos 1.1 comes together soon. Agree. Useful creative things, not cloning/supporting Windaube-Whatever-WtF again ;-) PS: Seeing MinGW inferior to VCC is sad but pointless to discuss here. Did you mean MSVC? I don't trust Microsoft and if the GCC folks don't feel like producing a Windows compatible compiler there must be a reason. I haven't used mingw enough to know what the problems are. In the dos world there is DJGPP. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Who needs WIndows?
Well, I don't see anyone in the Freedos community insisting that closed source compilers be used I prefer Open Source FASM. Did you mean MSVC? I don't trust Microsoft and YES. Agree. -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
