Re: [Freedreno] [PATCH v7 1/6] base: power: runtime: Export pm_runtime_get/put_suppliers

[Tomasz Figa]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Robin Murphy  wrote:
> On 13/02/18 07:44, Tomasz Figa wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vivek,
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Vivek Gautam
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The device link allows the pm framework to tie the supplier and
>>> consumer. So, whenever the consumer is powered-on the supplier
>>> is powered-on first.
>>>
>>> There are however cases in which the consumer wants to power-on
>>> the supplier, but not itself.
>>> E.g., A Graphics or multimedia driver wants to power-on the SMMU
>>> to unmap a buffer and finish the TLB operations without powering
>>> on itself.
>>
>>
>> This sounds strange to me. If the SMMU is powered down, wouldn't the
>> TLB lose its contents as well (and so no flushing needed)?
>
>
> Depends on implementation details - if runtime PM is actually implemented
> via external clock gating (in the absence of fine-grained power domains),
> then "suspended" TLBs might both retain state and not receive invalidation
> requests, which is really the worst case.

Agreed. That's why in "[PATCH v7 3/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Invoke
pm_runtime during probe, add/remove device" I actually suggested
managing clocks separately from runtime PM. At least until runtime PM
framework arrives at a state, where multiple power states can be
managed, i.e. full power state, clock-gated state, domain-off state.
(I think I might have seen some ongoing work on this on LWN though...)

>
>> Other than that, what kind of hardware operations would be needed
>> besides just updating the page tables from the CPU?
>
>
> Domain attach/detach also require updating SMMU hardware state (and possibly
> TLB maintenance), but don't logically require the master device itself to be
> active at the time.

Wouldn't this hardware state need to be reinitialized anyway after
respective power domain power cycles? (In other words, hardware would
only need programming if it's powered on at the moment.)

Best regards,
Tomasz
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Re: [Freedreno] [PATCH v7 1/6] base: power: runtime: Export pm_runtime_get/put_suppliers

[Robin Murphy]

On 13/02/18 07:44, Tomasz Figa wrote:

Hi Vivek,

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Vivek Gautam
 wrote:

The device link allows the pm framework to tie the supplier and
consumer. So, whenever the consumer is powered-on the supplier
is powered-on first.

There are however cases in which the consumer wants to power-on
the supplier, but not itself.
E.g., A Graphics or multimedia driver wants to power-on the SMMU
to unmap a buffer and finish the TLB operations without powering
on itself.


This sounds strange to me. If the SMMU is powered down, wouldn't the
TLB lose its contents as well (and so no flushing needed)?


Depends on implementation details - if runtime PM is actually 
implemented via external clock gating (in the absence of fine-grained 
power domains), then "suspended" TLBs might both retain state and not 
receive invalidation requests, which is really the worst case.



Other than that, what kind of hardware operations would be needed
besides just updating the page tables from the CPU?


Domain attach/detach also require updating SMMU hardware state (and 
possibly TLB maintenance), but don't logically require the master device 
itself to be active at the time.


Robin.
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