Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-06-01 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 05/31/2011 08:28 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
> Done:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/1266

Thanks.
We will try to look at it as soon as we can.

> Dan
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 18:26, Dmitri Pal  wrote:
>> On 05/31/2011 06:02 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the replies.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 18:13, Rob Crittenden  wrote:
> I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
> on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
> been released. But I have a few questions:
>
> 1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
 Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely 
 with
 an ldap/krb5 configuration.
>>> I've set up a Fedora 15 VM and have successfully configured it to
>>> authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers, so this is good. One small
>>> problem was that I couldn't get passwordless ssh logins *to* the F15
>>> system working. I created and installed a host keytab, same as for all
>>> the other systems, but no luck. I was able to ssh *from* the F15
>>> system without a password however. Any ideas?
>>>
> 3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
> an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).
 You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two 
 versions.
 You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the v2 migration
 system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. You would need to
 generate new principals and keytabs for your kerberized services.
>>> I've setup a Fedora 15 VM and installed the FreeIPA server. I ran the
>>> ipa migrate-ds command provided in the documentation. All of the user
>>> groups were migrated successfully, but none of the users were migrated
>>> due to 'unknown object class "radiusprofile"' errors.
>>>
>>> I've seen this post here:
>>>
>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2011-May/msg00282.html
>>>
>>> but I wanted to add that I don't use any of the radius functionality
>>> and my FreeIPA v1 installation is pretty standard, so other users
>>> might run into this. I didn't find a bug report, but can file one if
>>> needed?
>>>
>> Yes please: https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dan
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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-06-01 Thread Rob Crittenden

Dan Scott wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 18:13, Rob Crittenden  wrote:

I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
been released. But I have a few questions:

1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?


Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely with
an ldap/krb5 configuration.


I've set up a Fedora 15 VM and have successfully configured it to
authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers, so this is good. One small
problem was that I couldn't get passwordless ssh logins *to* the F15
system working. I created and installed a host keytab, same as for all
the other systems, but no luck. I was able to ssh *from* the F15
system without a password however. Any ideas?


Are any errors reported on either side? You can test the host principal 
with something like:


# kinit -kt /etc/krb5.keytab host/ipa.example@example.com




3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).


You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two versions.
You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the v2 migration
system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. You would need to
generate new principals and keytabs for your kerberized services.


I've setup a Fedora 15 VM and installed the FreeIPA server. I ran the
ipa migrate-ds command provided in the documentation. All of the user
groups were migrated successfully, but none of the users were migrated
due to 'unknown object class "radiusprofile"' errors.

I've seen this post here:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2011-May/msg00282.html

but I wanted to add that I don't use any of the radius functionality
and my FreeIPA v1 installation is pretty standard, so other users
might run into this. I didn't find a bug report, but can file one if
needed?


Saw that you filed one, thanks, we'll take a look.

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-31 Thread Dan Scott
Done:

https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/ticket/1266

Dan

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 18:26, Dmitri Pal  wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 06:02 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 18:13, Rob Crittenden  wrote:
 I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
 on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
 been released. But I have a few questions:

 1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
>>> Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely with
>>> an ldap/krb5 configuration.
>> I've set up a Fedora 15 VM and have successfully configured it to
>> authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers, so this is good. One small
>> problem was that I couldn't get passwordless ssh logins *to* the F15
>> system working. I created and installed a host keytab, same as for all
>> the other systems, but no luck. I was able to ssh *from* the F15
>> system without a password however. Any ideas?
>>
 3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
 an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).
>>> You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two versions.
>>> You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the v2 migration
>>> system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. You would need to
>>> generate new principals and keytabs for your kerberized services.
>> I've setup a Fedora 15 VM and installed the FreeIPA server. I ran the
>> ipa migrate-ds command provided in the documentation. All of the user
>> groups were migrated successfully, but none of the users were migrated
>> due to 'unknown object class "radiusprofile"' errors.
>>
>> I've seen this post here:
>>
>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2011-May/msg00282.html
>>
>> but I wanted to add that I don't use any of the radius functionality
>> and my FreeIPA v1 installation is pretty standard, so other users
>> might run into this. I didn't find a bug report, but can file one if
>> needed?
>>
>
> Yes please: https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/
>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-31 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 05/31/2011 06:02 PM, Dan Scott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the replies.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 18:13, Rob Crittenden  wrote:
>>> I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
>>> on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
>>> been released. But I have a few questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
>> Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely with
>> an ldap/krb5 configuration.
> I've set up a Fedora 15 VM and have successfully configured it to
> authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers, so this is good. One small
> problem was that I couldn't get passwordless ssh logins *to* the F15
> system working. I created and installed a host keytab, same as for all
> the other systems, but no luck. I was able to ssh *from* the F15
> system without a password however. Any ideas?
>
>>> 3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
>>> an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).
>> You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two versions.
>> You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the v2 migration
>> system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. You would need to
>> generate new principals and keytabs for your kerberized services.
> I've setup a Fedora 15 VM and installed the FreeIPA server. I ran the
> ipa migrate-ds command provided in the documentation. All of the user
> groups were migrated successfully, but none of the users were migrated
> due to 'unknown object class "radiusprofile"' errors.
>
> I've seen this post here:
>
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2011-May/msg00282.html
>
> but I wanted to add that I don't use any of the radius functionality
> and my FreeIPA v1 installation is pretty standard, so other users
> might run into this. I didn't find a bug report, but can file one if
> needed?
>

Yes please: https://fedorahosted.org/freeipa/

> Thanks,
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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-31 Thread Dan Scott
Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 18:13, Rob Crittenden  wrote:
>> I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
>> on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
>> been released. But I have a few questions:
>>
>> 1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
>
> Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely with
> an ldap/krb5 configuration.

I've set up a Fedora 15 VM and have successfully configured it to
authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers, so this is good. One small
problem was that I couldn't get passwordless ssh logins *to* the F15
system working. I created and installed a host keytab, same as for all
the other systems, but no luck. I was able to ssh *from* the F15
system without a password however. Any ideas?

>> 3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
>> an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).
>
> You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two versions.
> You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the v2 migration
> system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. You would need to
> generate new principals and keytabs for your kerberized services.

I've setup a Fedora 15 VM and installed the FreeIPA server. I ran the
ipa migrate-ds command provided in the documentation. All of the user
groups were migrated successfully, but none of the users were migrated
due to 'unknown object class "radiusprofile"' errors.

I've seen this post here:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2011-May/msg00282.html

but I wanted to add that I don't use any of the radius functionality
and my FreeIPA v1 installation is pretty standard, so other users
might run into this. I didn't find a bug report, but can file one if
needed?

Thanks,

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-26 Thread Steven Jones
Hi,

The school has had its own kerberos-ldap for a decade but its a one off they 
are cumputer science so have "rocket scientists" to run itits not what we 
want to use as we need to consider "normal" user and windows admins who need to 
be able to use a solution...

Its good to know the kerberos linking up would workanother plus for 
IPAbecause its probable that this will be a requirement further along, but 
if I have to look for something with all the bells and whistles its 100s of K 
and a long time to put it in, and huge opex costsand TCO wise I dont see it 
as worthwhile (think oracle Identity).hence something low cost that does 
90% of what we need ie the real core functionality is the only sane / cost 
effective way IMHO.


regards
 

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Sent: Friday, 27 May 2011 1:10 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: Christian Horn; Erinn Looney-Triggs; freeipa-users@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 05:51 +, Steven Jones wrote:
> Quickly as Im late.
>
> We are setting up cross realm from AD to a school who runs MIT Kerberos with 
> openldap underneathA windows client in our domain can then connect to a 
> school resource where its connected to the school's centralised setup
>
> So its possible, yes.
>
> Not with freeipa from what Ive seen posted, yet...next version I am assuming 
> so.

Freeipa does not give you UI or tools to do it, although creating a
Kerberos trust is a very simple matter using kadmin.local to create the
proper principals.

Everything else would work like in the Kerberos+openldap setup in the
school you meantion.

So it is technically possible, we simply do not yet make it easy for you
by providing wrappers.

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 05:51 +, Steven Jones wrote:
> Quickly as Im late.
> 
> We are setting up cross realm from AD to a school who runs MIT Kerberos with 
> openldap underneathA windows client in our domain can then connect to a 
> school resource where its connected to the school's centralised setup
> 
> So its possible, yes.
> 
> Not with freeipa from what Ive seen posted, yet...next version I am assuming 
> so.

Freeipa does not give you UI or tools to do it, although creating a
Kerberos trust is a very simple matter using kadmin.local to create the
proper principals.

Everything else would work like in the Kerberos+openldap setup in the
school you meantion.

So it is technically possible, we simply do not yet make it easy for you
by providing wrappers.

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Christian Horn
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 05:51:59AM +, Steven Jones wrote:
> Quickly as Im late.
> 
> We are setting up cross realm from AD to a school who runs MIT Kerberos with 
> openldap underneathA windows client in our domain can then connect to a 
> school resource where its connected to the school's centralised setup
> 
> So its possible, yes.
> 
> Not with freeipa from what Ive seen posted, yet...next version I am assuming 
> so.

Ah sorry, was thinking ahead softwarewise :)

Also did that not with FreeIPA but plain MIT-kerberos in the past, also the
environment where Microsoft actively helped debugging upcoming problems was
at the MIT with ofcourse MIT-kerberos running.


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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Steven Jones
Quickly as Im late.

We are setting up cross realm from AD to a school who runs MIT Kerberos with 
openldap underneathA windows client in our domain can then connect to a 
school resource where its connected to the school's centralised setup

So its possible, yes.

Not with freeipa from what Ive seen posted, yet...next version I am assuming so.

regards

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Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 3:20 p.m.
To: Erinn Looney-Triggs
Cc: freeipa-users@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 01:29:41PM -0800, Erinn Looney-Triggs wrote:
> On 05/25/2011 01:21 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> >
> > As far as I am aware Windows clients can only authenticate against ADs.  So 
> > if you need to authenticate Windows you need a password trust/sync setup 
> > with AD and yes you need an AD as well as FreeIPA.
> No Windows clients can auth against kerberos realms directly and so
> should be able to auth again an IPA server as well. It is slightly
> complicated and difficult to manage but it can be done.

True, but does not help with the clients fetching ldap data.
I think the cross realm setup is a good idea if one wants to run Windows
clients and use SSO together with kerberized services on linux/unix:

- the windows clients stay hooked up to an AD, so in a supported
environment
- from following mailinglists I had the impression Microsoft seems to
support the scenario
- the linux/unix servers can use the IPA and benefit from proper de-
bugging tools, having their server OpenSourced etc.

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Christian Horn
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 01:29:41PM -0800, Erinn Looney-Triggs wrote:
> On 05/25/2011 01:21 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> >
> > As far as I am aware Windows clients can only authenticate against ADs.  So 
> > if you need to authenticate Windows you need a password trust/sync setup 
> > with AD and yes you need an AD as well as FreeIPA.
> No Windows clients can auth against kerberos realms directly and so
> should be able to auth again an IPA server as well. It is slightly
> complicated and difficult to manage but it can be done.

True, but does not help with the clients fetching ldap data.
I think the cross realm setup is a good idea if one wants to run Windows
clients and use SSO together with kerberized services on linux/unix:

- the windows clients stay hooked up to an AD, so in a supported 
environment
- from following mailinglists I had the impression Microsoft seems to 
support the scenario
- the linux/unix servers can use the IPA and benefit from proper de-
bugging tools, having their server OpenSourced etc.

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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Rob Crittenden

Dan Scott wrote:

Hello,

I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
been released. But I have a few questions:

1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?


Yes but you would have to configure it yourself. sssd would work nicely 
with an ldap/krb5 configuration.



2. Can Fedora 14 (and older, and Windows and Mac) clients authenticate
against FreeIPA 2 servers?


You would need to either build your own Fedora 14 ipa-client v2 package 
or manually configure it. The sssd in F-14 should work well even using 
the ipa provider.


Windows domain login is not supported.


3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).


You cannot do a straight upgrade, too much changed between the two 
versions. You should be able to migrate the users and groups using the 
v2 migration system. This will maintain your user passwords at least. 
You would need to generate new principals and keytabs for your 
kerberized services.


I don't think it would be practical to try to run the two systems 
side-by-side.


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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 17:00 -0400, Dan Scott wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
> on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
> been released. But I have a few questions:
> 
> 1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?

Yes but you should configure them as normal LDAP+Krb clients not FreeIPA
clients.

> 2. Can Fedora 14 (and older, and Windows and Mac) clients authenticate
> against FreeIPA 2 servers?

Yes as normal LDAP+Krb clients.

> 3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
> an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).

You need to perform an actual data migration, I suggest you install a
separate box with F15 + freeipa v2 and migrate accounts from the v1
instance. Direct upgrades from v1 to v2 by way of an rpm upgrade are not
possible.

> Overall, my questions boil down to this: Can I migrate systems as and
> when possible/convenient, or do I have to do 'everything' in one go?

You don't have to do everything in one go, except for the server
instances (unless you can live for a while in a split brain situation).

> I looked through the documentation, but the V2 docs currently seem
> quite developer-centric, does anyone have any links for me?

Take a look at this:
http://obriend.fedorapeople.org/freeIPA2.0/Identity_and_Policy_Management_Guide/html-single/

Still a work in progress but there is a lot already.

Simo.


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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Erinn Looney-Triggs
On 05/25/2011 01:21 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As far as I am aware Windows clients can only authenticate against ADs.  So 
> if you need to authenticate Windows you need a password trust/sync setup with 
> AD and yes you need an AD as well as FreeIPA.
No Windows clients can auth against kerberos realms directly and so
should be able to auth again an IPA server as well. It is slightly
complicated and difficult to manage but it can be done.


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Re: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Steven Jones
Hi,

As far as I am aware Windows clients can only authenticate against ADs.  So if 
you need to authenticate Windows you need a password trust/sync setup with AD 
and yes you need an AD as well as FreeIPA.

>From what's been said in the last day or so the next version of FreeIPA will 
>do interREALM kerberos trusts?so its looking a bit better than a password 
>syncbut I think you will still need AD and FreeIPA.  From my limited 
>understanding something has to do the authorisation still which is the LDAP 
>bit.so once you trust the user you still have to put in two places what 
>the user can dodepending on what the user wants to connect to.

regards



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To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
Subject: [Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

Hello,

I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
been released. But I have a few questions:

1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
2. Can Fedora 14 (and older, and Windows and Mac) clients authenticate
against FreeIPA 2 servers?
3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).

Overall, my questions boil down to this: Can I migrate systems as and
when possible/convenient, or do I have to do 'everything' in one go?

I looked through the documentation, but the V2 docs currently seem
quite developer-centric, does anyone have any links for me?

Thanks,

Dan Scott

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[Freeipa-users] Migration from FreeIPA 1.2.1 to 2

2011-05-25 Thread Dan Scott
Hello,

I have a FreeIPA 1.2.1 system (1 master and 1 replica server) running
on Fedora 14. I'd like to migrate to FreeIPA 2, now that Fedora 15 has
been released. But I have a few questions:

1. Can Fedora 15 clients authenticate against my FreeIPA 1 servers?
2. Can Fedora 14 (and older, and Windows and Mac) clients authenticate
against FreeIPA 2 servers?
3. Can I migrate the servers from FreeIPA 1 to 2 (presumably requiring
an upgrade from Fedora 14 to 15 along the way).

Overall, my questions boil down to this: Can I migrate systems as and
when possible/convenient, or do I have to do 'everything' in one go?

I looked through the documentation, but the V2 docs currently seem
quite developer-centric, does anyone have any links for me?

Thanks,

Dan Scott

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