Re: [Freeipa-users] [RFC] Feature idea - ENV vars/profile scripts in directory

2013-07-10 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 07/10/2013 04:48 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
 So I have been kicking around an idea for a while now and thought I
 would develop it but its out of my league. The FreeIPA community is
 very very active in pam/sssd/ldap/so on and so on so I thought I would
 float the idea here before I made a Trac [RFE] ticket.

 Would anyone else find it useful to store environment variables in
 LDAP?  In the environment (no pun intended) I work in we have a few
 thousand servers all authenticating to LDAP and a home grown
 LDAP+sshPublicKey implementation which is great.  But we have a bunch
 of different distros which all have different default editors.  Unless
 I feel like touching a lot of servers or using cfengine3 to distribute
 my preferred environment variables I am at the mercy of the editor on
 the system.

 How wonderful would it be to set EDITOR=vim, LESS='-S',
 TZ='America/Hawaii', LANG='Klingon' in LDAP and have pam/sss
 pull/store that information for me.  Sort of like pam_env but backed
 by LDAP.

 So this got me thinking the other thing that would be wonderful to
 store in LDAP would be shell profiles...  Consider having your
 ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc  or ~/.my.cnf or what-have-you in LDAP?

 Maybe this modified pam_ldap could do things like append, remove,
 replace or unset environment variables.  Consider:

 dn: uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 objectClass: posixAccountEnv
 ...
 # replace EDITOR
 posixEnv: EDITOR=vim
 # unset TZ
 posixEnv: TZ-=
 # append PATH
 posixEnv: PATH=+:~/bin
 # prepend PATH
 posixEnv: PATH+=/opt/foo/bin:

 Further perhaps the PAM module could be configured to only allow
 certain environment variables to be manipulated this way admins can
 control which variables users can set.

 /etc/ldap/pam_ldap.conf:
 ...
 # allow
 pam_allow_env_vars PATH,EDITOR
 # deny
 pam_deny_env_vars PATH,TZ
 # wildcards? regex?
 pam_allow_env_vars LC_*,PATH,EDITOR
 pam_deny_env_vars TZ

 So if we're storing environment variables in LDAP why not profiles or
 small files?  ~/.bashrc, ~/.my.cnf, ~/.ssh/config?  Sure there's some
 overlap with env vars because you could set them in your profile but
 with both options an admin is free to choose. 

 I can think of a couple of ways to implement this.
 1. create subortinate objects to the user object
 dn: cn=~/.bashrc,uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 ...
 objectClass: posixAccountProfile
 posixProfile: octet string

 Advantages: The advantage of this setup is that the profileScript
 class could contain any number of attributes, perhaps a modified time
 so that the script isn't rewritten if the subordinate object hasn't
 been modified since the script was last modified.

 Disadvantages: Kinda kludgy.  Extra objects (more lookups).

 2. Use LDAP attribute options (See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2251.txt
 RFC 2251 4.1.5. Attribute Description if not familiar)
 dn: uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 ...
 posixProfile;~/.bashrc: octet string
 posixProfile;~/.my.cnf: octet string

 Advantages: No extra objects, makes use of oft unused LDAP attribute
 options :), can have ACI's applied to them.
 Disadvantages: Only modified time to track is modified time of the
 LDAP object not individual profileScript attrs

 In both cases it might be wise to consider how file names are
 specified.  Perhaps leave off the ~/ and make everything relative to ~
 no matter what.  Or make everything relative to ~/ even if it starts
 w/ a '/'.  Maybe simply reject anything that begins with '/'.

 dn: uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 ...
 posixProfile;.bashrc: octetString
 posixProfile;.foo/foorc: octetstring

 Plus I don't know if / and . are legitimate characters in attribute
 options.

 So thanks for sticking with me if you got this far.  What do you think?

 Regards,
 -Alan


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I see couple problems but in a different plane.
1) You are talking about the server storing this data, it is not
standard but extension can be made. The bigger problem is the client.
Creating the client and porting it to multiple distros is a challenge.
SSSD is in Linux but not in classical UNIXes. As you start looking at
the client side effort solutions like Puppet, Chef and friends become
much more attractive.
2) Which ENV vars need to be served to which groups of hosts. You need
the infrastructure to define and manage it. Puppet, Chef and others are
already good at it.

So I am not really sure that adding the suggested data to LDAP is the
right place. LDAP is just a storage format and client protocol. This is
the smallest part of the effort. This would effectively lead to
duplicating some of existing management systems.

We discussed things like that several years ago when we were starting
IPA project. We needed to draw the line about what to store and what not
to store in LDAP. We came up with a following definition:
Store things that are either traditionally stored in LDAP and already
have 

Re: [Freeipa-users] [RFC] Feature idea - ENV vars/profile scripts in directory

2013-07-10 Thread Dmitri Pal
On 07/10/2013 05:53 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
 Man I just can't seem to reply to this list correctly.  I hope the
 other two didn't actually go anywhere.

 Dimitri,

 I do not mean to store system environment variables but MY environment
 variables.

I might have looked at it in a more generic way as more system ENV VARs
than personal preferences.
But here is a question. Are your preferences same on all systems?
It seems that preferences should be more targeted to the groups of
systems rather than be a property of the user.
What your are talking about here is effectively a roaming profile. I
think in Windows you can define which groups of systems the profile
roams between.

I do not have any negative feelings about the idea of storing the
information in LDAP. But IMO it makes sense to view it more as a user
preferences. I would think that it should be something like:

userPreferences: JSON string

That would allow more flexibility and would not require protocol changes
to add new things as needed.
And have it be associated with user-host pair. It is expressed by
association object class in IPA.

But let us assume we say it is not a bad idea and can be done. What is next?
I can say for sure that we will not invest into changing pam_ldap to
support it. Only SSSD. Will it make the solution irrelevant for you?





 dn: uid=alan,dc=example,dc=com
 objectclass: top
 objectclass: posixAccount
 objectclass: inetOrgPerson
 objectclass: posixAccountEnv
 ...
 uid: alan
 cn: Alan Evans
 posixEnv: EDITOR=vim
 # or
 posixEnv;EDITOR: vim

 In my opinion while these do not necessarily meet the definition you
 just described they are distinctly MY preferences and I would argue
 they belong with my object in LDAP.  Storing some environment
 variables isn't that different from storing my preferred shell, or my
 preferred contact information and so on.

 As for implementing it could be all done in pam_ldap which would be
 pretty easily portable.

 HTH,
 -Alan


 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dmitri Pal d...@redhat.com
 mailto:d...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 07/10/2013 04:48 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
 So I have been kicking around an idea for a while now and thought
 I would develop it but its out of my league. The FreeIPA
 community is very very active in pam/sssd/ldap/so on and so on so
 I thought I would float the idea here before I made a Trac [RFE]
 ticket.

 Would anyone else find it useful to store environment variables
 in LDAP?  In the environment (no pun intended) I work in we have
 a few thousand servers all authenticating to LDAP and a home
 grown LDAP+sshPublicKey implementation which is great.  But we
 have a bunch of different distros which all have different
 default editors.  Unless I feel like touching a lot of servers or
 using cfengine3 to distribute my preferred environment variables
 I am at the mercy of the editor on the system.

 How wonderful would it be to set EDITOR=vim, LESS='-S',
 TZ='America/Hawaii', LANG='Klingon' in LDAP and have pam/sss
 pull/store that information for me.  Sort of like pam_env but
 backed by LDAP.

 So this got me thinking the other thing that would be wonderful
 to store in LDAP would be shell profiles...  Consider having your
 ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc  or ~/.my.cnf or what-have-you in LDAP?

 Maybe this modified pam_ldap could do things like append, remove,
 replace or unset environment variables.  Consider:

 dn: uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 objectClass: posixAccountEnv
 ...
 # replace EDITOR
 posixEnv: EDITOR=vim
 # unset TZ
 posixEnv: TZ-=
 # append PATH
 posixEnv: PATH=+:~/bin
 # prepend PATH
 posixEnv: PATH+=/opt/foo/bin:

 Further perhaps the PAM module could be configured to only allow
 certain environment variables to be manipulated this way admins
 can control which variables users can set.

 /etc/ldap/pam_ldap.conf:
 ...
 # allow
 pam_allow_env_vars PATH,EDITOR
 # deny
 pam_deny_env_vars PATH,TZ
 # wildcards? regex?
 pam_allow_env_vars LC_*,PATH,EDITOR
 pam_deny_env_vars TZ

 So if we're storing environment variables in LDAP why not
 profiles or small files?  ~/.bashrc, ~/.my.cnf, ~/.ssh/config? 
 Sure there's some overlap with env vars because you could set
 them in your profile but with both options an admin is free to
 choose. 

 I can think of a couple of ways to implement this.
 1. create subortinate objects to the user object
 dn: cn=~/.bashrc,uid=me,dc=example,dc=com
 ...
 objectClass: posixAccountProfile
 posixProfile: octet string

 Advantages: The advantage of this setup is that the profileScript
 class could contain any number of attributes, perhaps a modified
 time so that the script isn't rewritten if the subordinate object
 hasn't been modified since the script was last modified.

 Disadvantages: Kinda kludgy.  Extra