Re: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth question

[Matthew Sellers]

Hi Guys,

I found docs on roles and was able to permission my IPA DNS scripts as follows:


ipa role-add "DNS Admin"
ipa role-add-privilege "DNS Admin" --privileges="DNS Administrator"
ipa role-add-member "DNS Admin" --services="buildslave/host.domain@realm.com

Now I am able to authenticate with this service principal and access
LDAP attributes from IPA as you suggested.   I was a little caught
off-guard as it seems even the built-in 'admin type' roles do not have
access to read DNS ?   Adding this role puts a smile on my face.

ipa-getkeytab -s myipahost  -p buildslave/host.domain@realm.com -k
/etc/named/ipa_automation.keytab -r
export KRB5_CLIENT_KTNAME=ipa_automation.keytab
export KRB5_KTNAME=ipa_automation.keytab
./buildslave.py


Thanks,
Matt


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Matthew Sellers  wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> Thanks for the hint, I was able to create a keytab and authenticate as
> a service, but using this method IPA returns zero results ( u'result'
> : [] ) for calls like "dnszone_find()".  I tried adding some of the
> predefined ROLES to the service principal, but no luck there.  Any
> hints are greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank You!
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Alexander Bokovoy  
> wrote:
>> On ma, 26 syys 2016, Matthew Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> Thank you for clarification.   In my example I am configuring
>>> 'unprivileged' service users.   Specifically, I wrote a script to pull
>>> data from IPA from its wonderful REST interface that will run on a
>>> group of hosts.  Since this has to run non-interactively I would like
>>> to use a keytab.
>>>
>>> I initially went down the road of grabbing an initial keytab with
>>> ipa-getkeytab and then distributing the 'service user keytab' with
>>> Puppet.I see the security implications here the same as
>>> un-encrypted ssh keys for service users.
>>>
>>> My second option was to jump on the host, grab a TGT for the service
>>> user with kinit, and download the lastest KVNO of my service user
>>> keytab using ipa-getkeytab with '-r' option.
>>>
>>> This seemed pretty cool and solved the issue of asking the KDC 'give
>>> me the lastest keytab for service user abc_service'.   What is the
>>> best way to do this?
>>>
>>>
>>> If anybody can share similar deployment stories that would be great.
>>
>> If you are not tied to POSIX users, you can create actual Kerberos
>> services and use them to talk to IPA framework. To the framework there
>> is no difference whether it is a user or a kerberos service that is
>> authenticating. You can create roles that reference Kerberos services
>> instead of users when assigning permissions to access certain objects
>> and their attributes.
>>
>> For services there is already a good way to delegate retrieval rights
>> for keytabs.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thank You!
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Martin Babinsky 
>>> wrote:

 On 09/26/2016 04:22 AM, Matthew Sellers wrote:
>
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I did use this originally when deploying my
> 'kerberized' service on my first host.   What I am trying to do is use
> ipa-getkeytab for keytab distribution on say...100 hosts, without
> having to copy around keytabs from host to host.
>
> Since using ipa-getkeytab without the '-r' option just creates a new
> keytab with bumped KVNO ..and.. when I do use '-r' I recieve a message
> for 'Insufficient access rights' I am still fuzzy
>
> Can ipa-getkeytab be used for mass distribution of user keytabs with
> the -r option?
>
> Thanks Again!
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Michael ORourke
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Try the following...
>>
>> # Get admin TGT
>> kinit ad...@realm.com
>>
>> # Get keytab for user account
>> ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com -k
>> ipa_cron_runner.keytab
>>
>> # Clear tickets
>> kdestroy
>>
>> # Request TGT using the keytab
>> kinit -k -t ./cron_runner.keytab cron_run...@realm.com
>>
>> # List tickets
>> klist
>>
>> I recommend including the username somewhere in the name of the keytab
>> file itself which makes it easier to remember.  Of course be careful
>> with
>> the permissions on the keytab file, because anyone that has read access
>> to
>> the keytab can get a TGT as that user.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Matthew Sellers 
>>> Sent: Sep 25, 2016 8:37 PM
>>> To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
>>> Subject: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive
>>> authquestion
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> What is the best way to distribute a 'user' keytab to distribute
>>> 

Re: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth question

[Alexander Bokovoy]

On ma, 26 syys 2016, Matthew Sellers wrote:

Hi Martin,

Thank you for clarification.   In my example I am configuring
'unprivileged' service users.   Specifically, I wrote a script to pull
data from IPA from its wonderful REST interface that will run on a
group of hosts.  Since this has to run non-interactively I would like
to use a keytab.

I initially went down the road of grabbing an initial keytab with
ipa-getkeytab and then distributing the 'service user keytab' with
Puppet.I see the security implications here the same as
un-encrypted ssh keys for service users.

My second option was to jump on the host, grab a TGT for the service
user with kinit, and download the lastest KVNO of my service user
keytab using ipa-getkeytab with '-r' option.

This seemed pretty cool and solved the issue of asking the KDC 'give
me the lastest keytab for service user abc_service'.   What is the
best way to do this?


If anybody can share similar deployment stories that would be great.

If you are not tied to POSIX users, you can create actual Kerberos
services and use them to talk to IPA framework. To the framework there
is no difference whether it is a user or a kerberos service that is
authenticating. You can create roles that reference Kerberos services
instead of users when assigning permissions to access certain objects
and their attributes.

For services there is already a good way to delegate retrieval rights
for keytabs.




Thank You!
Matt



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Martin Babinsky  wrote:

On 09/26/2016 04:22 AM, Matthew Sellers wrote:


Hey Mike,

Thanks for the reply.  I did use this originally when deploying my
'kerberized' service on my first host.   What I am trying to do is use
ipa-getkeytab for keytab distribution on say...100 hosts, without
having to copy around keytabs from host to host.

Since using ipa-getkeytab without the '-r' option just creates a new
keytab with bumped KVNO ..and.. when I do use '-r' I recieve a message
for 'Insufficient access rights' I am still fuzzy

Can ipa-getkeytab be used for mass distribution of user keytabs with
the -r option?

Thanks Again!
Matt



On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Michael ORourke
 wrote:


Matt,

Try the following...

# Get admin TGT
kinit ad...@realm.com

# Get keytab for user account
ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com -k
ipa_cron_runner.keytab

# Clear tickets
kdestroy

# Request TGT using the keytab
kinit -k -t ./cron_runner.keytab cron_run...@realm.com

# List tickets
klist

I recommend including the username somewhere in the name of the keytab
file itself which makes it easier to remember.  Of course be careful with
the permissions on the keytab file, because anyone that has read access to
the keytab can get a TGT as that user.

-Mike

-Original Message-


From: Matthew Sellers 
Sent: Sep 25, 2016 8:37 PM
To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
Subject: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive
authquestion

Hi Guys,

What is the best way to distribute a 'user' keytab to distribute
keytabs to allow 'system users' to run scripts with non-interactive
auth?  Is it possible to use the ipa-getkeytab feature ( with "-r"
option ) to request a keytab for a user principal?  I see support for
HOST and SERVICE keytabs, but nothing specific to user  keytabs?

Concept Example:

ipa-getkeytab -s ipa_server -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron.keytab
-r
KRB5_KTNAME=ipa_cron.keytab service.py

Actual Results ( tried with tgt for cron_runner or admin ):

[sysadmin@01 ~]$ ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com
-kipa_cron.keytab -r
Failed to parse result: Insufficient access rights

My only other option is grab the keytab and copy it around after
initial creation ( understanding that each keytab requests bumps the
KVNO ).  My goal is to make password-less authentication for automated
processes as easy as possible to setupipa-getkeytab seems like its
almost there?

Love the work you guys are putting out, its a really cool system.

Thanks,
Matt

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The problem is that in order to retrieve an existing Kerberos keys the
getkeytab extended operation need to be able to read them. The support for
these permissions is currently implemented for hosts and services only (see
http://www.freeipa.org/page/V4/Keytab_Retrieval_Management for more
details).

Maybe you can workaround this by retrieving keytabs as a directory manager
but then you have to enter directory manager password everywhere.

Also there is a considerable security risk involved in storing user keytabs
e.g. in their home directories, as 

Re: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth question

[Matthew Sellers]

Hi Martin,

Thank you for clarification.   In my example I am configuring
'unprivileged' service users.   Specifically, I wrote a script to pull
data from IPA from its wonderful REST interface that will run on a
group of hosts.  Since this has to run non-interactively I would like
to use a keytab.

I initially went down the road of grabbing an initial keytab with
ipa-getkeytab and then distributing the 'service user keytab' with
Puppet.I see the security implications here the same as
un-encrypted ssh keys for service users.

My second option was to jump on the host, grab a TGT for the service
user with kinit, and download the lastest KVNO of my service user
keytab using ipa-getkeytab with '-r' option.

This seemed pretty cool and solved the issue of asking the KDC 'give
me the lastest keytab for service user abc_service'.   What is the
best way to do this?


If anybody can share similar deployment stories that would be great.

Thank You!
Matt



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Martin Babinsky  wrote:
> On 09/26/2016 04:22 AM, Matthew Sellers wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.  I did use this originally when deploying my
>> 'kerberized' service on my first host.   What I am trying to do is use
>> ipa-getkeytab for keytab distribution on say...100 hosts, without
>> having to copy around keytabs from host to host.
>>
>> Since using ipa-getkeytab without the '-r' option just creates a new
>> keytab with bumped KVNO ..and.. when I do use '-r' I recieve a message
>> for 'Insufficient access rights' I am still fuzzy
>>
>> Can ipa-getkeytab be used for mass distribution of user keytabs with
>> the -r option?
>>
>> Thanks Again!
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Michael ORourke
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> Try the following...
>>>
>>> # Get admin TGT
>>> kinit ad...@realm.com
>>>
>>> # Get keytab for user account
>>> ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com -k
>>> ipa_cron_runner.keytab
>>>
>>> # Clear tickets
>>> kdestroy
>>>
>>> # Request TGT using the keytab
>>> kinit -k -t ./cron_runner.keytab cron_run...@realm.com
>>>
>>> # List tickets
>>> klist
>>>
>>> I recommend including the username somewhere in the name of the keytab
>>> file itself which makes it easier to remember.  Of course be careful with
>>> the permissions on the keytab file, because anyone that has read access to
>>> the keytab can get a TGT as that user.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>> -Original Message-

 From: Matthew Sellers 
 Sent: Sep 25, 2016 8:37 PM
 To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
 Subject: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive
 authquestion

 Hi Guys,

 What is the best way to distribute a 'user' keytab to distribute
 keytabs to allow 'system users' to run scripts with non-interactive
 auth?  Is it possible to use the ipa-getkeytab feature ( with "-r"
 option ) to request a keytab for a user principal?  I see support for
 HOST and SERVICE keytabs, but nothing specific to user  keytabs?

 Concept Example:

 ipa-getkeytab -s ipa_server -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron.keytab
 -r
 KRB5_KTNAME=ipa_cron.keytab service.py

 Actual Results ( tried with tgt for cron_runner or admin ):

 [sysadmin@01 ~]$ ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com
 -kipa_cron.keytab -r
 Failed to parse result: Insufficient access rights

 My only other option is grab the keytab and copy it around after
 initial creation ( understanding that each keytab requests bumps the
 KVNO ).  My goal is to make password-less authentication for automated
 processes as easy as possible to setupipa-getkeytab seems like its
 almost there?

 Love the work you guys are putting out, its a really cool system.

 Thanks,
 Matt

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 https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users
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>>>
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>>
>>
>
> The problem is that in order to retrieve an existing Kerberos keys the
> getkeytab extended operation need to be able to read them. The support for
> these permissions is currently implemented for hosts and services only (see
> http://www.freeipa.org/page/V4/Keytab_Retrieval_Management for more
> details).
>
> Maybe you can workaround this by retrieving keytabs as a directory manager
> but then you have to enter directory manager password everywhere.
>
> Also there is a considerable security risk involved in storing user keytabs
> e.g. in their home directories, as anyone who gains privileged access to the
> enrolled machine can then impersonate any user that has 

Re: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth question

[Matthew Sellers]

Hey Mike,

Thanks for the reply.  I did use this originally when deploying my
'kerberized' service on my first host.   What I am trying to do is use
ipa-getkeytab for keytab distribution on say...100 hosts, without
having to copy around keytabs from host to host.

Since using ipa-getkeytab without the '-r' option just creates a new
keytab with bumped KVNO ..and.. when I do use '-r' I recieve a message
for 'Insufficient access rights' I am still fuzzy

Can ipa-getkeytab be used for mass distribution of user keytabs with
the -r option?

Thanks Again!
Matt



On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Michael ORourke
 wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Try the following...
>
> # Get admin TGT
> kinit ad...@realm.com
>
> # Get keytab for user account
> ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron_runner.keytab
>
> # Clear tickets
> kdestroy
>
> # Request TGT using the keytab
> kinit -k -t ./cron_runner.keytab cron_run...@realm.com
>
> # List tickets
> klist
>
> I recommend including the username somewhere in the name of the keytab file 
> itself which makes it easier to remember.  Of course be careful with the 
> permissions on the keytab file, because anyone that has read access to the 
> keytab can get a TGT as that user.
>
> -Mike
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Matthew Sellers 
>>Sent: Sep 25, 2016 8:37 PM
>>To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
>>Subject: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth   
>> question
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>What is the best way to distribute a 'user' keytab to distribute
>>keytabs to allow 'system users' to run scripts with non-interactive
>>auth?  Is it possible to use the ipa-getkeytab feature ( with "-r"
>>option ) to request a keytab for a user principal?  I see support for
>>HOST and SERVICE keytabs, but nothing specific to user  keytabs?
>>
>>Concept Example:
>>
>>ipa-getkeytab -s ipa_server -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron.keytab -r
>>KRB5_KTNAME=ipa_cron.keytab service.py
>>
>>Actual Results ( tried with tgt for cron_runner or admin ):
>>
>>[sysadmin@01 ~]$ ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com
>>-kipa_cron.keytab -r
>>Failed to parse result: Insufficient access rights
>>
>>My only other option is grab the keytab and copy it around after
>>initial creation ( understanding that each keytab requests bumps the
>>KVNO ).  My goal is to make password-less authentication for automated
>>processes as easy as possible to setupipa-getkeytab seems like its
>>almost there?
>>
>>Love the work you guys are putting out, its a really cool system.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Matt
>>
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>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users
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Re: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth question

[Michael ORourke]

Matt,

Try the following...

# Get admin TGT
kinit ad...@realm.com

# Get keytab for user account
ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron_runner.keytab

# Clear tickets
kdestroy

# Request TGT using the keytab
kinit -k -t ./cron_runner.keytab cron_run...@realm.com

# List tickets
klist

I recommend including the username somewhere in the name of the keytab file 
itself which makes it easier to remember.  Of course be careful with the 
permissions on the keytab file, because anyone that has read access to the 
keytab can get a TGT as that user.

-Mike

-Original Message-
>From: Matthew Sellers 
>Sent: Sep 25, 2016 8:37 PM
>To: freeipa-users@redhat.com
>Subject: [Freeipa-users] Distributing user keytabs for non-interactive auth
>question
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>What is the best way to distribute a 'user' keytab to distribute
>keytabs to allow 'system users' to run scripts with non-interactive
>auth?  Is it possible to use the ipa-getkeytab feature ( with "-r"
>option ) to request a keytab for a user principal?  I see support for
>HOST and SERVICE keytabs, but nothing specific to user  keytabs?
>
>Concept Example:
>
>ipa-getkeytab -s ipa_server -p cron_run...@realm.com -k ipa_cron.keytab -r
>KRB5_KTNAME=ipa_cron.keytab service.py
>
>Actual Results ( tried with tgt for cron_runner or admin ):
>
>[sysadmin@01 ~]$ ipa-getkeytab -s coipa100 -p cron_run...@realm.com
>-kipa_cron.keytab -r
>Failed to parse result: Insufficient access rights
>
>My only other option is grab the keytab and copy it around after
>initial creation ( understanding that each keytab requests bumps the
>KVNO ).  My goal is to make password-less authentication for automated
>processes as easy as possible to setupipa-getkeytab seems like its
>almost there?
>
>Love the work you guys are putting out, its a really cool system.
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
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